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What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?



 
 
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Old August 13th 18, 10:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

In addition they want to own a newer glider for resale value.
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Old August 13th 18, 10:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 4:20:32 PM UTC-4, Bojack J4 wrote:
After the definitive spanking these two new models gave to the previously dominant ASG-29,
there has to be a superiority. So, what is it?

(And yes, the pilot matters...but look at the results in 18m Worlds competition)


Can we get this on the Jerry Springer Show
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Old August 14th 18, 02:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Come on, guys! Help me out here.
I'm trying to negotiate a fire-sale price for '29's.

3 year wait for a V3, btw.
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Old August 14th 18, 03:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 9:15:02 PM UTC-4, Bojack J4 wrote:
Come on, guys! Help me out here.
I'm trying to negotiate a fire-sale price for '29's.

3 year wait for a V3, btw.


Yep Bojack, think of all the problems with the 29, Flutter, wings falling off, complete melting of the fuselage in the hot sun. The list goes on and on, maybe we could get two for the price of one.
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Old August 14th 18, 04:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

As Eric said.
Also the very long wait on these new gliders suggests that with few exceptions, most folks ordered them before they won any big contest based on the hope and expectation that they will be better or at least as good.
My 29 is not for sale anytime soon

Ramy
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Old August 14th 18, 05:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

Of course the AS33 will have even more magic.... and would the V3 be as
magical if it could fit as larger a pilot as the JS3? Wonder how much
difference that tincy fuselage makes?

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Old August 14th 18, 05:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
As Eric said.
Also the very long wait on these new gliders suggests that with few exceptions, most folks ordered them before they won any big contest based on the hope and expectation that they will be better or at least as good.
My 29 is not for sale anytime soon

Ramy


They are both excellent gliders and an improvement in the state of the art, but, to be fair, the median FAI ranking for the JS3 pilots was 56, for the Ventus 3 pilots was 64 and for the ASG-29 pilots was 688. Both Jonker and Schempp-Hirth did a nice job getting new gliders into the hands of top-ranked pilots. Great pilots flying great gliders are hard to beat. Mostly, great pilots are hard to beat.

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Old August 14th 18, 06:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 12:45:19 PM UTC-4, Paul T wrote:
Of course the AS33 will have even more magic.... and would the V3 be as
magical if it could fit as larger a pilot as the JS3? Wonder how much
difference that tincy fuselage makes?


Things that have no size have no drag. Every little bit helps, if you can fit in.
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Old August 14th 18, 06:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:06:07 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 12:45:19 PM UTC-4, Paul T wrote:
Of course the AS33 will have even more magic.... and would the V3 be as
magical if it could fit as larger a pilot as the JS3? Wonder how much
difference that tincy fuselage makes?


Things that have no size have no drag. Every little bit helps, if you can fit in.
UH


Damian Goldenzweig from Argentina world ranked 2277 did very well to finish 28th in the larger fuselage prototype self-launching Ventus-3M. Analysing his flights on See You compared to little fuselage V3s he flew with doesn't show any significant performance difference. On Task 11, for example, he started with and mostly flew with highly ranked Mario Kiessling and/or Peter Millenaar and beat them both. The final glide performances at around 105 knots look identical - even allowing for me looking through a wishful thinking filter.
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Old August 15th 18, 03:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 6:15:02 PM UTC-7, Bojack J4 wrote:
Come on, guys! Help me out here.
I'm trying to negotiate a fire-sale price for '29's.

3 year wait for a V3, btw.


Three year wait for a V3 or JS3 plus they will cost every bit of a quarter million dollars. In 1994 I purchased an ASW-24 with two hours flight time on it for $40,000.
 




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