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Bob Fry wrote:
Your conventional all-copper-wire-to-the-Central-Office phone will fail exactly in the same way. What do you think powers them during an "extended electrical outage"?? Your POTS phone doesn't need any power from your home. it is powered from the phone company. The central office has heavy duty battery backup and generators. And the neighbourhood nodes have batteries and the telco then rotates portable generators to recharge those batteries. problems occur when you have a truly widespread outage where the telco doesn't have enough portable generators to move around to recharge all neighbourhood nodes. The solution is to use the telco's copper as a power source to power the fibre link and one phone. This way you benefit from the telco's UPS systems and don't need your own. |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote: "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." -- Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993, MTV Interview They all think they're smarter than we are, and know what's "best" for us. Unfortunately, most people are content to let "them" handle it, whatever it is. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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"Dave Stadt" wrote: A very telling quite from a United employee a number of months ago "Of course Southwest is making money, they fly people to where they want to go." You would think that would have shown up in a United suggestion box at some point in time. Hee-hee! Beautiful. Any veteran of servitude in a huge corporation will nod in recognition at this. It's enough to make you scream when you're down in the forest trying to make lumber and you realize upper mgmt. has forgotten what trees are. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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"R J Carpenter" wrote: Mark my words, the conversion of telephone service to fiber will reduce the ultimate reliability of phone service. There is still "copper" into the home, and the conversion from fiber to copper takes place in nearby electronics powered from the electric utility. When the lights go out, the phone fiber-to-copper electronics run on battery UNTIL THE BATTERY RUNS DOWN, a matter of a couple of days. So your phone will fail during an extended electrical outage. Neat. Many cell-phone sites do not have a backup generator, so they too fail when their battery runs down. Data point: Bellsouth voice/DSL trunks in my neighborhood have all been converted to underground FO. Power was out here on the Eastern Shore for 3-5 days after hurricane Ivan, but I never lost service. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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"R J Carpenter" writes:
When the lights go out, the phone fiber-to-copper electronics run on battery UNTIL THE BATTERY RUNS DOWN, a matter of a couple of days. So your phone will fail during an extended electrical outage. Unless you simply put a twisted copper pair in with the fiber cable used in FTTH (which for practicality of installation and maintenance is certainly going to be a small "cable" of some sort, not just a single fiber). Undersea fiber optic cables -- which are a different matter, of course, but aren't physically that much bigger than the coaxial cables used for cable TV -- carry DC electrical power at _4000 V_ all the way across oceans. |
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"AES/newspost" wrote Undersea fiber optic cables -- which are a different matter, of course, but aren't physically that much bigger than the coaxial cables used for cable TV -- carry DC electrical power at _4000 V_ all the way across oceans. Really? I had always thought that glass was a good insulator, not a conductor. Fiber optic strands carry light. Metal carries electricity. Put both in one cable assembly, and you have a combination, or dual purpose cable., I believe which is also called a hybrid cable. -- Jim in NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.794 / Virus Database: 538 - Release Date: 11/10/2004 |
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Morgans wrote:
cable TV -- carry DC electrical power at _4000 V_ all the way across oceans. Really? I had always thought that glass was a good insulator, not a conductor. Fibre optic repeaters every 40 to 60km need electricity to regenerate/amplify the light pulses. The high voltage reduces current and hence loss of energy through resistance over such long distances. |
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message A very telling quite from a United employee
a number of months ago "Of course Southwest is making money, they fly people to where they want to go." I disagree. While somewhat better than a big hub, Southwest's system of little hubs can mean as many as 3 connections to get to where I want to go. Ever wonder why a connecting flight has the same flight number even when the plane, crew, and gate change at the connection? To pay less tax. D. |
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Morgans wrote: Fiber optic strands carry light. Metal carries electricity. True, but the long distance people are getting power to the repeaters over fiber somehow. We in the local telecom business suspected that they were using light over fiber to drive photocells, but apparently fiber is a conductor if the voltage is high enough. Personally, I'm suspicous of this claim. DC current is very prone to voltage drop over distance, and we're talking 1500 miles or more (half the Atlantic ocean). Still, with 4,000 volts, there's room for quite a bit of drop. I'd love to see the specs for this. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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"nobody" wrote Fibre optic repeaters every 40 to 60km need electricity to regenerate/amplify the light pulses. The high voltage reduces current and hence loss of energy through resistance over such long distances. I understand the concept, but is it not true that the cable being used, has metal (copper) strands, and glass strands in the same cable to make this work? That was my only point. -- Jim in NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.794 / Virus Database: 538 - Release Date: 11/10/2004 |
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