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On Feb 6, 3:38*pm, wrote:
There are no provisions for this in Winscore . The RC position on these devices is that they are not permissible under the long established rules philosophy and they will not be allowed to be used, The RC is working with Butterfly to determine how best to remove this feature during competition while not adding to the work load of the scorer and other contest workers. This has not yet been determined. I will provide more information on this as it becomes available. UH RC Chair Hank, what is the RC position on PDA/PNA software such as LK8000, which has a functioning "turn-coordinator" page? Sure it says not to use it for instrument flight, but it sure looks like it could be used for a little cloud busting -or for getting down through a surprise cloud layer, which is actually a nice feature and why it is included, I'm sure. Ditto some of the Garmin hand-held GPSs, which have a GPS-derived "panel". Of course, these are not gyro instruments, so cannot be legally used for instrument flying, of course... Kirk 66 |
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On Feb 6, 5:56*pm, "kirk.stant" wrote:
On Feb 6, 3:38*pm, wrote: There are no provisions for this in Winscore . The RC position on these devices is that they are not permissible under the long established rules philosophy and they will not be allowed to be used, The RC is working with Butterfly to determine how best to remove this feature during competition while not adding to the work load of the scorer and other contest workers. This has not yet been determined. I will provide more information on this as it becomes available. UH RC Chair Hank, what is the RC position on PDA/PNA software such as LK8000, which has a functioning "turn-coordinator" page? *Sure it says not to use it for instrument flight, but it sure looks like it could be used for a little cloud busting -or for getting down through a surprise cloud layer, which is actually a nice feature and why it is included, I'm sure. Ditto some of the Garmin hand-held GPSs, which have a GPS-derived "panel". Of course, these are not gyro instruments, so cannot be legally used for instrument flying, of course... Kirk 66 Read 6.6.1 and draw your own conclusions based upon what you know about these devices. If a pilot is using and instrument- PDA's with software could fall into this catagory, that permits flight without reference to the horizon, he or she is not in conformity with our rules. UH |
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Exactly. My watch can allow me to cloudfly if I really want to. This is unenforcable and compromises safety over the chance that someone could cheat.. Safety MUST BE the prioriry. No? Not here I guess? Fly into a cloud and die? Thats what this rule says. Wow, thats a great idea!
The JS1 at reno had a mechanical turn and bank? Is that illegal? Must this guy remove it to fly in a regional? I find that silly. This old, outdated and unenforcable rule should be removed today. Who is going to enforce this rule? Each task day? I am installing a turn and bank. I thumb my nose at this rule. Go ahead and throw me out of the contest. I honestly could care less. That vario by the way is REALLY nice and I strongly encourage anyone interested to buy it regardless of this ridiculous rule which deliberately discourages safety, innovation and trust. |
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I am installing a turn and bank. *I thumb my nose at this rule. *Go ahead and throw me out of the contest. *I honestly could care less. That vario by the way is REALLY nice and I strongly encourage anyone interested to buy it regardless of this ridiculous rule which deliberately discourages safety, innovation and trust. Hey Sean, aren't you the kid from my 6th birthday party who didn't like the rules when we played 'hide and seek', packed up the present he had brought and left??? You haven't changed a bit... |
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I was going to ask Sean if he's instrument rated and current. Is he
competent flying partial panel? Notwithstanding the above, is his glider certified (in this country) for cloud flight? Is he going to pick up an instrument clearance before needing to use this instrument? I am qualified and have considerable experience flying partial panel in real clouds, but I wouldn't so flagrantly voilate the rules as Sean seems to be implying he's willing to do. But wait! Wasn't it he who implied that it was *I* who am neither intelligent nor safety conscious? Can't have it both ways, Kid... "Herbert kilian" wrote in message ... I am installing a turn and bank. I thumb my nose at this rule. Go ahead and throw me out of the contest. I honestly could care less. That vario by the way is REALLY nice and I strongly encourage anyone interested to buy it regardless of this ridiculous rule which deliberately discourages safety, innovation and trust. Hey Sean, aren't you the kid from my 6th birthday party who didn't like the rules when we played 'hide and seek', packed up the present he had brought and left??? You haven't changed a bit... |
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I choose safety. Continue flailing...I enjoy it.
As for your panic fire about filing, etc. I laugh at you. I am laughing hysterically at you both. Safety. Its that simple. |
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A very strong safety argument can (and has for many years) been made
for keeping gaggles out of clouds. |
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Dan. I honestly feel sorry for you.
Intelligent pilots choose safety. FLARM is safer than nothing at all. You disagree, I shake my head at you. An AH is a life saver in the case of an emergency. Wave closing out below, etc. All of your ridiculous reason on that being illegal is just funny. Sad, but also funny. So why have safety paint? Why does a cirrus have a chute? Why have a GPS? A Radio? Brilliant Dan...BRILLIANT. Fight the good fight! I truly enjoy your effort to argue against safety. Please keep trying. We love it. It proves a valuable point to many. You still serve a purpose. |
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On Feb 6, 5:08*pm, Sean Fidler wrote:
Exactly. *My watch can allow me to cloudfly if I really want to. *This is unenforcable and compromises safety over the chance that someone could cheat. * Safety MUST BE the prioriry. *No? *Not here I guess? *Fly into a cloud and die? *Thats what this rule says. *Wow, thats a great idea! The JS1 at reno had a mechanical turn and bank? *Is that illegal? *Must this guy remove it to fly in a regional? *I find that silly. This old, outdated and unenforcable rule should be removed today. Who is going to enforce this rule? *Each task day? I am installing a turn and bank. *I thumb my nose at this rule. *Go ahead and throw me out of the contest. *I honestly could care less. That vario by the way is REALLY nice and I strongly encourage anyone interested to buy it regardless of this ridiculous rule which deliberately discourages safety, innovation and trust. As for flying with a turn-n-bank, I have never tried it for real. But, for you condor flyers out there, try climbing into a cloud on your computer and using the TNB to keep upright and circle. It is VERY difficult without a lot of practice. Just get straight and try to fly out of the cloud. Even on the computer without inner ear motion tricks it's tough to do. |
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This thread has gone from strawman to tinman.
Whistle with me: "...my head, I'd scratchin' while my thoughts, they'd be hatchin', if I only...." -Evan Ludeman / T8 |
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