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Old August 14th 06, 12:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Scott[_1_]
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

I seem to recall a relatively simple smoke system that used a propane
torch bottle to hold the smoke oil and I believe it was pressurized with
air to eliminate the need for a pump. I realize it would only be good
for short bursts, but that is exactly the application I need. Any
reference to the article appreciated...

Scott

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Old August 14th 06, 03:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Frank Stutzman
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

Scott wrote:
I seem to recall a relatively simple smoke system that used a propane
torch bottle to hold the smoke oil and I believe it was pressurized with
air to eliminate the need for a pump. I realize it would only be good
for short bursts, but that is exactly the application I need. Any
reference to the article appreciated...


Don't know about a propane bottle, but there was somebody years ago on
the Pietenpol list who had a smoke system based on one of those hand
pumped insecticde garden sprayers. Seemed to work good for him.

Yah, I know a smoke system on a Pietenpol...

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

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Old August 14th 06, 08:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Andy Asberry
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:34:01 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I seem to recall a relatively simple smoke system that used a propane
torch bottle to hold the smoke oil and I believe it was pressurized with
air to eliminate the need for a pump. I realize it would only be good
for short bursts, but that is exactly the application I need. Any
reference to the article appreciated...

Scott


At http://www.kcdawnpatrol.com/smoke.htm there is one made from a
windshield washer pump. I saw the article on the propane bottle setup.
I thought it was Dick Starks or Leonard Milholland
www.betterhalfvw.com . Sounded more like Starks though because the
article detailed strafing another field.

--Andy Asberry recommends NewsGuy--
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Old August 15th 06, 11:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Scott[_1_]
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

Well, I would have laughed at a smoke system on a Piet or my own Corben
several years ago, but after seeing a smoke system in operation on a
Baby Ace at the SAA fly in this year, I KNOW it's for me. Since my
Corben is so slow in the pattern (60-65 MPH), I have nearly been run
over by Cessnas and such at fly in breakfasts. No one seems to see me
and they keep hollering at me on the radio for my position. A short
burst of smoke would definitely draw attention to my whereabouts as I
approach the airport and at various points around the pattern!

Scott


Frank Stutzman wrote:

Scott wrote:

I seem to recall a relatively simple smoke system that used a propane
torch bottle to hold the smoke oil and I believe it was pressurized with
air to eliminate the need for a pump. I realize it would only be good
for short bursts, but that is exactly the application I need. Any
reference to the article appreciated...



Don't know about a propane bottle, but there was somebody years ago on
the Pietenpol list who had a smoke system based on one of those hand
pumped insecticde garden sprayers. Seemed to work good for him.

Yah, I know a smoke system on a Pietenpol...

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

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Old August 15th 06, 11:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Scott[_1_]
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

Thanks for the tip! Yes, I do believe it was Len Hilholland who had
it...Think I remember seeing it on his Legal Eagle at Oshkosh last year...

Scott



Andy Asberry wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:34:01 +0000, Scott
wrote:


I seem to recall a relatively simple smoke system that used a propane
torch bottle to hold the smoke oil and I believe it was pressurized with
air to eliminate the need for a pump. I realize it would only be good
for short bursts, but that is exactly the application I need. Any
reference to the article appreciated...

Scott



At http://www.kcdawnpatrol.com/smoke.htm there is one made from a
windshield washer pump. I saw the article on the propane bottle setup.
I thought it was Dick Starks or Leonard Milholland
www.betterhalfvw.com . Sounded more like Starks though because the
article detailed strafing another field.

--Andy Asberry recommends NewsGuy--

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Old August 15th 06, 04:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Jim Carriere
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

Or one of these (skip down to the picture at the bottom) would draw some
attention too:

http://www.nieuports.com/index.asp?p...ature_builders

It says "Recommended for all children aged 30 years and older" Heheheh

Scott wrote:
Well, I would have laughed at a smoke system on a Piet or my own Corben
several years ago, but after seeing a smoke system in operation on a
Baby Ace at the SAA fly in this year, I KNOW it's for me. Since my
Corben is so slow in the pattern (60-65 MPH), I have nearly been run
over by Cessnas and such at fly in breakfasts. No one seems to see me
and they keep hollering at me on the radio for my position. A short
burst of smoke would definitely draw attention to my whereabouts as I
approach the airport and at various points around the pattern!

Scott


Frank Stutzman wrote:

Scott wrote:

I seem to recall a relatively simple smoke system that used a propane
torch bottle to hold the smoke oil and I believe it was pressurized
with air to eliminate the need for a pump. I realize it would only
be good for short bursts, but that is exactly the application I
need. Any reference to the article appreciated...



Don't know about a propane bottle, but there was somebody years ago
on the Pietenpol list who had a smoke system based on one of those
hand pumped insecticde garden sprayers. Seemed to work good for him.

Yah, I know a smoke system on a Pietenpol...

-- Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

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Old August 15th 06, 07:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Dan Horton
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

If you have 12V power, an in-tank fuel pump from many GM and Ford cars
does a good job pumping 10W oil from a one gallon lawn mower gas tank.

The pumps can be obtained for free at a busy auto repair shop. The
in-tank units combine a pump and a fuel level sender. When the sender
goes bad (common) the shop replaces the entire unit (the sender is not
sold separate) and tosses the old one in a box "just in case we ever
need a pump". The box fills up pretty quick.

On the Canuck I ran a 1/4" line to a splitter block, then 1/8 stainless
lines to compression fittings brazed into the exhaust manifold header
pipes about 2" outboard of the cylinder head. Excellent smoke
quantity.

Dan

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Old August 15th 06, 09:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Rich S.[_1_]
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

At one time I thought of installing a smoke system on the Emeraude. Then I
attended an r.a.h. salmon bbq and oyster feed at Arlington. We were cooking
and sipping in front of a hangar while the air show was on.

I remember watching a T-6 go by on a low pass right in front of us, with his
smoke on. Every so often, the smoke would catch fire and a 30 foot length of
flame would ensue before the smoke came on again.

Hmmm . . . Wonder what effect that might have on my wooden frame - fabric
covered Emeraude?

I decided I didn't need to be quite *that* visible.

Rich "We live in fame, we go down in flames" S.


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Old August 17th 06, 11:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Scott[_1_]
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

I wonder if he was using true smoke oil and not something else that was
flammable...

Scott



Rich S. wrote:

At one time I thought of installing a smoke system on the Emeraude. Then I
attended an r.a.h. salmon bbq and oyster feed at Arlington. We were cooking
and sipping in front of a hangar while the air show was on.

I remember watching a T-6 go by on a low pass right in front of us, with his
smoke on. Every so often, the smoke would catch fire and a 30 foot length of
flame would ensue before the smoke came on again.

Hmmm . . . Wonder what effect that might have on my wooden frame - fabric
covered Emeraude?

I decided I didn't need to be quite *that* visible.

Rich "We live in fame, we go down in flames" S.


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Old August 18th 06, 12:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Rich S.[_1_]
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Default Smoke system using used propane torch bottle?

"Scott" wrote in message
...
I wonder if he was using true smoke oil and not something else that was
flammable...


Is true smoke oil flammable under those conditions?

Rich S.


 




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