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Old July 11th 03, 10:31 AM
87015
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Many years back I recall a Sea Harrier landing on a container ship or such
rather than ditch in the sea. There was a two page spread about it in the
magazine "Air Pictorial" a few weeks after the incident. This was in the late
1980's.

Of course I do know (and have seen the photos) of the 1960's trials with a
C-130 on a USN carrier.

But has it happened at all apart from these two incidents? Anyone know?

T.
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Old July 11th 03, 11:07 AM
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87015 wrote in message
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Many years back I recall a Sea Harrier landing on a container ship or

such
rather than ditch in the sea. There was a two page spread about it in

the
magazine "Air Pictorial" a few weeks after the incident. This was in

the late
1980's.

Of course I do know (and have seen the photos) of the 1960's trials

with a
C-130 on a USN carrier.

But has it happened at all apart from these two incidents? Anyone

know?

T.


I think there has been a test U-2 takeoff or two.

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Scott
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Old July 11th 03, 12:34 PM
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ISTR reading in "Flying" magazine or something similar a long time ago
about a small Cessna or Piper making an emergency landing on a carrier
once. I also think I read where a Beech Twin Bonanza did likewise many
years ago. Didn't the "Tora, Tora, Tora" movie Jap. replicas not only
launch from the Yorktown, but land on it as well?

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Old July 11th 03, 01:06 PM
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"Anonymous" wrote in message
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87015 wrote in message ...
Many years back I recall a Sea Harrier landing on a container ship or

such
rather than ditch in the sea. There was a two page spread about it in the
magazine "Air Pictorial" a few weeks after the incident. This was in the

late
1980's.


It was during the Falklands War, I believe


No it was shortly afterwards IRC

Royal Navy Sea Harriers took off from British ships that were disguised as
cargo vessels. Naturally they landed back on 'em as well...


No sir, a number of Harriers were deployed south on the
Atlantic Conveyor but did not land back on once they
had deployed.


Were there not trials of a delta-winged F16 (possibly F16XL) on carriers ?


The F-16XL had a double delta wing but I dont recall any carrier trials

Or was this the product of an odd dream I had one night long ago...


Keith


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Old July 11th 03, 01:13 PM
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"Frank May" wrote in message
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ISTR reading in "Flying" magazine or something similar a long time ago
about a small Cessna or Piper making an emergency landing on a carrier
once. I also think I read where a Beech Twin Bonanza did likewise many
years ago. Didn't the "Tora, Tora, Tora" movie Jap. replicas not only
launch from the Yorktown, but land on it as well?


Probably the most remarkable case involved the RAF Hurricanes
of 46 squadron and Gladiators of 263 Squadron landed aboard
HMS Glorious off Norway in April 1940

The aircraft had no arrestor gear and none of the pilots had ever
landed on a carrier before and they were landing at night !

Nonetheless with sandbags strapped to the fuselage to slow them
down and a party of matelots tasked to grab the tailplane to stop
em going over the edge of the flight deck they all got down.

Tragically though the ship was sunk next day by Scharnhorst
& Gneisenau and most of the pilots were killed.

Keith


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Old July 11th 03, 02:14 PM
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Alex Walton wrote:


In addition to what I wrote befo Indeed at one time during the
Falklands war a Sea Harrier, that was unable to find its carrier made an
emergency landing aboard a Spanish container ship and if I'm not
mistaken ended up travelling with the ship to Brazil.


I've not heared of such an incident during the Falklands War but Sea
Harrier FRS.1 number ZA176 landed on a Spanish freighter on 07 June
1983 when it ran low on fuel following a navigation system failure.
The freighter owners tried to claim slavage of the plane but it was
eventually returned.


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You're right. You're referring to the same incident, but indeed it took place after the Falklands war. My mistake.


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Ralph Savelsberg


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Old July 11th 03, 02:55 PM
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Ralph Savelsberg wrote:

Several RAF Harrier GR3s were used in the
conflict, flying from HMS Hermes and/or HMS invincible. I think they
were transported to the South Atlantic on an actual transport ship
(probably a Royal Fleet Auxilary) and were flown to the carrier(s) from
the decks of the transport in a one way trip. I really strongly doubt
the RN disguising some of its ships as cargo vessels.


The merchant vessel "Atlantic Conveyor,a container ship, was used to
transport eight Sea Harriers and six GR.3's from Ascension Island to the
Falklands, adding to the six Navy Wessex and five RAF Chinook
helicopters she had on board from Devonport. She had been converted at
Devonport to have an aircraft and helicopter support role, complete with
flight deck, fuelling and maintenance facilities. The Harriers were
stowed on the deck wrapped in specially-made protective sheeting, all
except one Sea Harrier that was spotted on the flight deck ready for
action as defensive measure.

The page below

http://freespace.virgin.net/gordon.s...33weekfive.htm

has a picture showing "Atlantic Conveyor" practising Sea Harrier
landings before sailing south.

On reaching the Falklands, the Harriers were all flown off to Hermes and
Invincible, but only one Chinook was got away before Atlantic Conveyor
was sunk.

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Old July 11th 03, 03:43 PM
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Pierre-Henri Baras wrote:


I think there has been a test U-2 takeoff or two.


Yeah, from the Ranger in the late 60s, when the US wanted to keep an eye on
French nuclear tests in the Pacific. The only way was to launch them from
the carrier, have them fly their circuit, and have them land on a friendly
base somewhere.
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Pierre-Henri BARAS


I think if you check, it was more that a test, they flew operational from
several
carriers, and they took off AND landed back on said carriers.
they were fitted with a add-on tailhook, took off without need of the cat
and landed without anything special being done...
U-2 wingtips can fold on the outer tips, and can even fit on the elevators
to be taken to the hanger deck...
carriers used were Kitty hawk, Ranger, & America

one place to check is Jay Miller's book on the U-2 Pages 33-35
ISBN-0-942548-04-3 Softcover edition
ISBN-0-942548-05-1 Hardcover


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Old July 11th 03, 07:29 PM
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In article , 87015
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Many years back I recall a Sea Harrier landing on a container ship or such
rather than ditch in the sea. There was a two page spread about it in the
magazine "Air Pictorial" a few weeks after the incident. This was in the late
1980's.

Of course I do know (and have seen the photos) of the 1960's trials with a
C-130 on a USN carrier.

But has it happened at all apart from these two incidents? Anyone know?

T.


ISTR pictures of an Auster landing on or taking off from an RN carrier.

Weren't there trials with a B-N Islander at some stage?
--
Peter

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