OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:27:48 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote:

OK, I buy that. Are the bullets also good enough to prevent cutting off the
wiring that runs back and forth along the cabin?

#m

Aircraft have redundant flight control systems. It's highly
unlikely that controls could be severed. Besides, if you're worried
about a jetliner being shot out of the sky, equip the plane with a BRS
parachute.


Eric Pinnell

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"Dylan Smith" wrote

There are dozens of ways. It's sort of like solving an equation
--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man

The bottom line is, no terrorist will ever again take over a passenger
flight. The crowd will overcome them, or crash the plane, well short of its
objective.
--
Jim in NC

"Eric Pinnell" see my web site wrote in message ...

Aircraft have redundant flight control systems.

Unless you're on a DC-10 :-)

. Besides, if you're worried
about a jetliner being shot out of the sky, equip the plane with a BRS
parachute.

That's going to be one big parachute.

Morgans wrote:

The bottom line is, no terrorist will ever again take over a passenger
flight. The crowd will overcome them, or crash the plane, well short of
its objective.

I tend to agree with you, assuming insufficient weapons in the hands of the
terrorists, but then this doesn't explain the efforts towards which the TSA
is going in that regard.

However, it does explain why the TSA has expressed concern about cargo
flights. After all, these are just as large and fueled as passenger craft
but w/o a cargo that fights back.

Thinking along those lines: how long from first lesson to "freight dog"?
What's done to secure the cargo handlers? The cargo? I seem to recall
reading that certain shippers could bypass security, and that the threshold
for being one of those shippers wasn't terribly high.

- Andrew

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Wdtabor" wrote:
I find the company of my fellow honest citizens who are armed to be
comforting.

I don't.

Many of my fellow honest citizens don't have sense enough to pour water
out of a boot. Anyone who can vote can carry a gun in many states:
considering the quality of elected officials, how comforting is that?

I'm a gun owner. I'm also a licensed driver. I don't expect any better
judgment from my fellow gun owners than I do from my fellow drivers.
--

Always the positive, right Dan?

Michael Nouak wrote:

I think you slightly misunderstood my point. I was talking about the
terrorist actually becoming an air marshal, as in: get a job as a marshal.
Marshals obviously don't have to smuggle their guns on board. It's by far
the easiest and safest method for terrorists to wreak havoc in/with a
plane at this time.

Ah. Yes, I did misunderstand.

- Andrew

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On 30 Dec 2003 20:16:01 GMT, Wdtabor wrote:

2) Most of the EU nations
(and people raises in them) are VERY anti-gun (to the point of being
afriad of guns, that is fear of the object itself).


I see no reason for the US to cater to the mental diseases of Europeans.
And

what is the mental disease here? I can't follow you there.
Or do you mean you are only sane when carrying a weapon?

If you had read the next line of his post, you would see.

"Fear of an inanimate object carried by an officer of the law *is*
delusional."
Do you disagree? Of course you do. You are a moron.


fear of an inanimate object carried by an officer of the law *is*
delusional.

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

they awakend?


So what you are essentially saying here is that the Battle of Britain should
never have been fought, and Hitler should have been given whatever he
wanted, including England, so long as it prevented more of those evil guns
from being used.

Genius.

"Dave" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it
(!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?

You mean Americans then - tell them to **** off.


Another brilliant answer from the xenophobic and powerless europeans.
Dismantling your military and banning guns is really paying off for you
guys, no?

Lets see, rampant crime and absolutely no say in world affairs. Good job.

"H.J." wrote in message
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Didnt you know? When a bullet punctures a window, it blows out and all the
people get sucked out - unless they hang on to a chair, in which case you
flap like a flag in the wind until your fingers give out...

Except that air marshalls are issued plastic frangible bullets that cannot
puncture the cabin of an aircraft.



"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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Now the British airline pilots are considering refusingto fly if there
is
an
armed security guard on a flight, citing the danger of a gunshot in a
pressurized airliner.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/ukresponse...863275,00.html

What?

Are they using "Goldfinger" as a training film there now?

Or has hoplophobia just turned their minds to goo?

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
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