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flight training - 100nm night flight requirement
Hi all,
I've been a long time lurker in these NGs, but until now I havent had any great items to ask or discuss. But I know the how much knowledge is in these groups, so here goes... A friend of mine is going for his Private. one of the requirements (as I fondly recall from my own training) is a Night Cross country flight greater than 100nm. Now, from the definitions, I see a cross-country flight "includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure." This friend went for a night flight from ap "A" to ap "B", 61nm away. Landed (stop and go?) and returned to ap "A". Total distance is 122nm So, the question to the group is, does this satisfy the requirement of 61.109(a)(2)(i) "One cross-country flight of over 100 nautical miles total distance"?? (his instructor says yes, mine said no) What do you all think? Thanks in advance for your help. Jonathan (ASEL, IA) (ps. go easy on me, Steven, it's my first time ;-) ) |
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Jonathan wrote: What do you all think? Yes. It's clearly a cross-country flight and clearly over 100 miles total distance. George Patterson If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said. |
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So, the question to the group is, does this satisfy the requirement of
61.109(a)(2)(i) "One cross-country flight of over 100 nautical miles total distance"?? (his instructor says yes, mine said no) What do you all think? Yup. My wife just did her night xcountry last week. Jim |
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I agree that it's all cross country time, and the round trip is 100.
So what then is the definition of a 'flight'. I think of a flight as a t/o and landing. and a cross country flight should land at other than the point of departure. I guess I'm getting hung up on the requrement of "ONE cross country flight over 100nm. I view his flight as TWO, 61nm cross country flights. "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Jonathan wrote: What do you all think? Yes. It's clearly a cross-country flight and clearly over 100 miles total distance. George Patterson If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said. |
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"Jonathan" wrote in message
news:P6Wmc.816$BJ6.73308@attbi_s51... [...] I guess I'm getting hung up on the requrement of "ONE cross country flight over 100nm. I view his flight as TWO, 61nm cross country flights. Funny thing about logging, you can call nearly anything you want a "flight". Generally, words like "original point of departure" are used when the FAA wants to make clear where one measures from. Bottom line: even though there's a landing in the middle, the round-trip is a single flight, as long as the pilot logging wants to call it a single flight. He can even shut the plane down, go have some dinner, stay for a week, whatever, if he really wants to. Pete |
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a cross country flight is not over until you return home.. even if it is the
next night.. BT "Jonathan" wrote in message news:P6Wmc.816$BJ6.73308@attbi_s51... I agree that it's all cross country time, and the round trip is 100. So what then is the definition of a 'flight'. I think of a flight as a t/o and landing. and a cross country flight should land at other than the point of departure. I guess I'm getting hung up on the requrement of "ONE cross country flight over 100nm. I view his flight as TWO, 61nm cross country flights. "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Jonathan wrote: What do you all think? Yes. It's clearly a cross-country flight and clearly over 100 miles total distance. George Patterson If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said. |
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a cross country flight is not over until you return home.
Nope. Suppose I fly 200 nm and land, discover the paint on the aircraft is scratched, and call the FBO to tell them the airplane is unflyable until it gets fixed. I take the train home. I log this as a cross country flight. The flight is over. The FBO has one pilot fly another pilot over to the airplane, and then flies back alone. She logs that as one or two flights. She might even log it as part of a flight (if she's on the way somewhere else - her call). The other pilot (the passenger) then inspects "my" airplane and determines that I'm a wuss for being afraid to fly with a scratch in the paint, but the gash in the wing needs some attention. The wing is replaced, and he flies the plane another six hundred miles to get the new wing painted. This will take three weeks, so he too takes the train home, logging it as one flight. He does three weeks of flight instruction (seventy three flights) and then takes the train back to the airplane to fly it home, but in that time the FBO folded and the plane was sold to a chap in Duluth, four hundred twelve miles away. He flies it to Duluth. The new owner flies him back to the airport where his FBO once was (and hopefully his car still is) and then flies back to Duluth, the new home of the airplane. So, by your rule above, how many never-to-be-completed cross country flights is this airplane still flying at the same time? Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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Jonathan wrote: So what then is the definition of a 'flight'. A flight is a trip by aircraft from a point of departure to a destination chosen by the pilot. Any number of intermediate landings may be made along the way. George Patterson If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said. |
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it's not my rule... you can log it any way you want...
but for the purposes of satisfying cross country requirements to meet FAR requirements for any rating... look up FAQ Part 61 and you will find an example, where the long distance cross country for commercial rating required 3 landings and 3 airports, So... a long 300nm flight with one fuel stop and to wait for weather from Point A to Point B and to Point C this did not meet the requirement.. as there were only two landings at B and C.. after conducting business for two days.. the pilot returns to Point C from Point A. Non-stop This completed the cross country and met the requirements of 3 airports and 3 landings at Point B, Point C, overnight and then Point A on his return.. BT "Teacherjh" wrote in message ... a cross country flight is not over until you return home. Nope. Suppose I fly 200 nm and land, discover the paint on the aircraft is scratched, and call the FBO to tell them the airplane is unflyable until it gets fixed. I take the train home. I log this as a cross country flight. The flight is over. The FBO has one pilot fly another pilot over to the airplane, and then flies back alone. She logs that as one or two flights. She might even log it as part of a flight (if she's on the way somewhere else - her call). The other pilot (the passenger) then inspects "my" airplane and determines that I'm a wuss for being afraid to fly with a scratch in the paint, but the gash in the wing needs some attention. The wing is replaced, and he flies the plane another six hundred miles to get the new wing painted. This will take three weeks, so he too takes the train home, logging it as one flight. He does three weeks of flight instruction (seventy three flights) and then takes the train back to the airplane to fly it home, but in that time the FBO folded and the plane was sold to a chap in Duluth, four hundred twelve miles away. He flies it to Duluth. The new owner flies him back to the airport where his FBO once was (and hopefully his car still is) and then flies back to Duluth, the new home of the airplane. So, by your rule above, how many never-to-be-completed cross country flights is this airplane still flying at the same time? Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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