You mean I have to TALK to ATC? - long

In article om,
Jay Honeck wrote:

That's just great that you're getting back into it.
My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences,

Heck, I'm probably flying the same plane you flew 31 years ago!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
1974 Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Never flew a Pathfinder, about half my total was in the Warrior, though.

In article ,
NVALID says...


In article ,
"Doug Semler" wrote:


I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.


That's just great that you're getting back into it.
My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences, compared
with what you knew 31 years ago. In any case, I hope you'll be coming back
to us to let us know how it's going, and to report on what differences you
do find. I'd be particularly interested in knowing what differences you
perceive in pilots' attitudes - toward flying, safety consciousness,
utility - their overall mind set. . .

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction in
flying.

My recommendation would be that you start with what's familiar - find a
plane that's close to what you knew before. As mentioned earlier, the
standard training environment hasn't changed radically - yet. Then work
into the new stuff, and you'll find it's really great, and much easier than
what you had to learn before.

Best of luck - and report back to us. . .

"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote in message
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This has turned into a MUCH bigger deal in R.A.P than it was in real life



Now, THERE's a surprise....(not)

Don't sweat it.

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Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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Marty Shapiro wrote:
After someone ripped him a new one, he shut up
on that topic. But, at one point in his attempt to justify his
stand, he implied that he had been wiped out in the dot.com bust.


Is there any way we can get whoever that was to hang out here for a while.
He has been ripped many times here and it never seems to shut him up.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Marty Shapiro wrote:
After someone ripped him a new one, he shut up
on that topic. But, at one point in his attempt to justify his
stand, he implied that he had been wiped out in the dot.com bust.


Is there any way we can get whoever that was to hang out here for a while.
He has been ripped many times here and it never seems to shut him up.

What are you suggesting, we need to bring in a hired "key"?

"Steve Hix" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Doug Semler" wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

The only thing glass in that plane is probably the electrical
insulators...



I thought you were gonna say the vacuum tubes g

The steam gauge covers, too.

I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.

Glad to hear it, good luck. I just went through this a couple of years
ago, after a 17 year layoff. Fortunately the Compass & Clock are still where
they used to be.

Al G

Compasses and dead reckoning still work. Remember that
little blurb in the instrument rules 61.65, Navigation,
including dead reckoning appropriate to IFR.

Procedure turns, and NORDO are just some of the DR
situations, GPS and or VOR OTS are others.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
| I was flying to Reno last week and there was a GPS outage
part of the way
| there. I had a couple guys with me and they just looked
at me when the MX20
| and the 296 went blank. I just tuned in to the next VOR
and kept going 10
| minutes later they came back.
|
| Interesting. I've had a similar experience where I lost
one (or two)
| GPS's (for reasons unknown) -- but I've never lost *both*
of them.
|
| I'm not saying VORs don't have a place anymore. I'm just
surprised to
| hear primary students flying around solely by reference to
them. It
| seems rather quaint, with so many students training in
glass
| cockpits...
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

good show


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
| How many students AREN'T training behind glass?
|
| Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped
out Cessna
| 150, just like a couple of generations before him...
|
| The only thing glass in that plane is probably the
electrical
| insulators...
|
| ;-)
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

"Steve Hix" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote:

-some snippage-

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage
point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today
is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp
some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the
satisfaction
in
flying.

Don't forget Class A, Class C, Class D, etc My dad is just now
getting
to the point he doesn't refer to airspace using pre-1990 terms

Sectionals are a bit more cluttered than they used to be. Literally; I
was just comparing the current San Francisco sectional with one dated
July 1976.

At least the lumpy bits on the ground haven't changed too much.

Different clutter. Fewer airports. ;^(

In article , says...


Sectionals are a bit more cluttered than they used to be. Literally; I
was just comparing the current San Francisco sectional with one dated
July 1976.

At least the lumpy bits on the ground haven't changed too much.

Different clutter. Fewer airports. ;^(



Not so sure!
By coincidence, I have been studying some circa 1966 sectionals from the NE
sector, and I find more stability than change. The depiction of navaids has
changed. I find it quaint that the 1966 sectionals listed AM radio stations, I
assume so that pilots could tune their ADF's to them. The readability of the
old charts is probably a bit better, even if this means the amount of NAV
information is somewhat more sparse. As for airports - many have
disappeared, but quite a few have been created as well, and most of the
previously existing have expanded. Overall, not too bad a picture - mostly a
picture of progress.