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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
Does the average weight calculation for passengers on commercial
flights include an allowance for their carry-on luggage? The reason I ask is that, if the carry-on weight is shifted to the hold, calculations that use an assumed average weight for passengers and their carry-ons in conjunction with actual weighing for luggage in the hold may produce estimates of take-off weight that are too high. For example, if the average passenger has 10 lbs of carry-on and this is incorporated into the estimated weight used for that passenger, and he is suddenly required to check the carry-on, the assumed weight will be too high by 10 lbs. This, combined with the 10 lbs extra of measured weight in the luggage in the hold, would make the take-off weight calculation 10 lbs high. Multiply that by hundreds of passengers, and you have a weight that could be thousands of pounds off. Has anyone considered this? A too-high estimate could affect flight characteristics and might also waste fuel (since more would be loaded than needed). -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage foraircraft weight
Mxsmanic wrote:
Does the average weight calculation for passengers on commercial flights include an allowance for their carry-on luggage? The reason I ask is that, if the carry-on weight is shifted to the hold, calculations that use an assumed average weight for passengers and their carry-ons in conjunction with actual weighing for luggage in the hold may produce estimates of take-off weight that are too high. For example, if the average passenger has 10 lbs of carry-on and this is incorporated into the estimated weight used for that passenger, and he is suddenly required to check the carry-on, the assumed weight will be too high by 10 lbs. This, combined with the 10 lbs extra of measured weight in the luggage in the hold, would make the take-off weight calculation 10 lbs high. Multiply that by hundreds of passengers, and you have a weight that could be thousands of pounds off. Has anyone considered this? A too-high estimate could affect flight characteristics and might also waste fuel (since more would be loaded than needed). Personally, I don't care about weight and balance. I care that I can't take my contacts out on a transatlantic flight and that the TSA would be shuffling through company secret information if I were to check it on a business trip. |
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Emily wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote: Does the average weight calculation for passengers on commercial flights include an allowance for their carry-on luggage? The reason I ask is that, if the carry-on weight is shifted to the hold, calculations that use an assumed average weight for passengers and their carry-ons in conjunction with actual weighing for luggage in the hold may produce estimates of take-off weight that are too high. For example, if the average passenger has 10 lbs of carry-on and this is incorporated into the estimated weight used for that passenger, and he is suddenly required to check the carry-on, the assumed weight will be too high by 10 lbs. This, combined with the 10 lbs extra of measured weight in the luggage in the hold, would make the take-off weight calculation 10 lbs high. Multiply that by hundreds of passengers, and you have a weight that could be thousands of pounds off. Has anyone considered this? A too-high estimate could affect flight characteristics and might also waste fuel (since more would be loaded than needed). Personally, I don't care about weight and balance. I care that I can't take my contacts out on a transatlantic flight and that the TSA would be shuffling through company secret information if I were to check it on a business trip. This is a good point. The TSA apparently doesn't understand that a person/terrorist can smuggle fluids taped to one's leg, or other part of the body, or even shove a vial/tube up their butt. This type of over-reaction is typical of an agency that has no idea of what to do, or in fact what the mission is. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:
For example, if the average passenger has 10 lbs of carry-on and this is incorporated into the estimated weight used for that passenger, and he is suddenly required to check the carry-on, the assumed weight will be too high by 10 lbs. This, combined with the 10 lbs extra of measured weight in the luggage in the hold, would make the take-off weight calculation 10 lbs high. Multiply that by hundreds of passengers, and you have a weight that could be thousands of pounds off. Plus, with all that valuable stuff being checked, the TSA screeners will steal about 10 pounds worth of stuff per passenger, making the weight even further off. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ You cannot run Windows innocently. Guilt of aiding & abetting, at the very least, is automatic. -- David P. Murphy |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage foraircraft weight
Terry wrote:
Emily wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: snip Personally, I don't care about weight and balance. I care that I can't take my contacts out on a transatlantic flight and that the TSA would be shuffling through company secret information if I were to check it on a business trip. This is a good point. The TSA apparently doesn't understand that a person/terrorist can smuggle fluids taped to one's leg, or other part of the body, or even shove a vial/tube up their butt. This type of over-reaction is typical of an agency that has no idea of what to do, or in fact what the mission is. I thought about smuggling contact solution in my bra, but figured if I were to get caught, they'd nail me under the pilot insecurity act. So I figured I can either lose my certificates or lose my medical after I get an eye infection. Not sure which is preferable. You've got a point, though. Maybe someone should suggest to them that they need to start giving all passengers rectal exams before they board. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
Business class ticket sales will drop! Who's going to fly business class
when they can't do any business up there! (forgetting of course the people that pay the extra just for the space and service. There are still people who only use business class so they can continue to work whilst flying.) Crash Lander -- I'm not always right, But I'm never wrong! "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Does the average weight calculation for passengers on commercial flights include an allowance for their carry-on luggage? The reason I ask is that, if the carry-on weight is shifted to the hold, calculations that use an assumed average weight for passengers and their carry-ons in conjunction with actual weighing for luggage in the hold may produce estimates of take-off weight that are too high. For example, if the average passenger has 10 lbs of carry-on and this is incorporated into the estimated weight used for that passenger, and he is suddenly required to check the carry-on, the assumed weight will be too high by 10 lbs. This, combined with the 10 lbs extra of measured weight in the luggage in the hold, would make the take-off weight calculation 10 lbs high. Multiply that by hundreds of passengers, and you have a weight that could be thousands of pounds off. Has anyone considered this? A too-high estimate could affect flight characteristics and might also waste fuel (since more would be loaded than needed). -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage foraircraft weight
Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, Mxsmanic said: For example, if the average passenger has 10 lbs of carry-on and this is incorporated into the estimated weight used for that passenger, and he is suddenly required to check the carry-on, the assumed weight will be too high by 10 lbs. This, combined with the 10 lbs extra of measured weight in the luggage in the hold, would make the take-off weight calculation 10 lbs high. Multiply that by hundreds of passengers, and you have a weight that could be thousands of pounds off. Plus, with all that valuable stuff being checked, the TSA screeners will steal about 10 pounds worth of stuff per passenger, making the weight even further off. Wouldn't it even out then? Maybe that's why they're not worried about it. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
This is a good point. The TSA apparently doesn't understand that a person/terrorist can smuggle fluids taped to one's leg, or other part of the body, or even shove a vial/tube up their butt. This type of over-reaction is typical of an agency that has no idea of what to do, or in fact what the mission is. You've got a point, though. Maybe someone should suggest to them that they need to start giving all passengers rectal exams before they board. That will happen when a plot uses that method. I am not looking forward to that day. Ron Lee |
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Emily wrote:
Has anyone considered this? A too-high estimate could affect flight characteristics and might also waste fuel (since more would be loaded than needed). Personally, I don't care about weight and balance. I care that I can't take my contacts out on a transatlantic flight and that the TSA would be shuffling through company secret information if I were to check it on a business trip. Weight and balance was not important to the commuter plane that crashed in the southeast a few years ago either. Add the reported control system problem and multiple people died. Ron Lee |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
Personally, I don't care about weight and balance. I care that I can't
take my contacts out on a transatlantic flight and that the TSA would be shuffling through company secret information if I were to check it on a business trip. Wear your glasses. You can carry papers.. don't check company proprietary information. BT |
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