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"Rolling" to ATC
On Feb 4, 6:54 pm, Sam Spade wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote: Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off? I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear "Rolling" without a readback of the clearance. What is the name of Dagwood's wife? Who's Dagwood? |
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"Rolling" to ATC
On Feb 5, 12:01 pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:
However, although it makes sense, pilots are not required to acknowledge or read back a take off or landing clearance. I dunno what country you fly in, but I am talking about New Zealand, and the rules here are obviously somewhat different to wherever you fly.. On the NZ CAA website, you will find: Advisory Circular AC 91-9 & AC 172-1 This is from the appropriate section of that document: 4.12 Readback Requirements 4.12.1 A pilot is required to acknowledge receipt of the following ATC clearances, information or instructions, which are transmitted by voice, by a full readback followed by the aircraft callsign: · ATC route, approach and departure clearances including any amendment thereof; · clearances to VFR flights to operate within controlled airspace, including entering or vacating the circuit; · clearances (including conditional clearances) to operate on the manoeuvring area at a controlled aerodrome including: o clearances to land on or take off from the runway-in-use; o clearances to enter, cross, or backtrack on the runway-in-use; o instructions to remain on or hold clear of the runway-in-use; o taxi instructions including a taxi route and holding point where specified; · runway-in-use; · SSR codes; · level instructions; · heading and speed instructions; · altimeter settings; and · frequency, after frequency change instructions. This relates to Part 91 of our CAA rules, and is exactly what we were taught when getting our licenses. |
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"Rolling" to ATC
Mxsmanic wrote: Casey Wilson writes: NOTICE!!!! Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT qualified to issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any aircraft. The current topic is communication with ATC, not flying by the seat of the pants, and in this context, real aircraft experience is irrelevant. If you think otherwise, please explain why, specifically. This is all covered in the FAR/AIM. Let's stop feeding the troll while he reads up on the subject. |
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"Rolling" to ATC
On Feb 5, 12:42 pm, Duncan (NZ) wrote:
In article , says... chris writes: In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield.. Do you say anything prior to the take-off? If so, what do you add by saying "rolling"? (If not, I can understand why you'd say it, although by the time you _are_ rolling, it's a bit late to warn anyone who might be in your way.) At an uncontrolled field, basically what you're up to... taxi 02 lining up and rolling 02 -- Duncan Which is what we are supposed to do, although I have been for a very scary flight in a Cherokee Charger at Raglan where the dude made no radio calls the whole trip, did no run-up, climbed with the stall warning lit up the whole way up, on a very very rough day, did his circuit the wrong direction, then slammed it on the runway and skidded sideways to a stop. I think he was quite pleased with himself.. |
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"Rolling" to ATC
Not required in the States- there are exceptions, such as hold short
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"Rolling" to ATC
On Feb 5, 1:31 pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:
Not required in the States- there are exceptions, such as hold short instructions. Sounds a bit dodgy!!! |
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"Rolling" to ATC
On Feb 4, 6:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
This is the way I do it, mostly. If the controller makes it clear that I must take off immediately, I acknowledge the clearance and also indicate that I'm actually moving. That's nice. Of course, in sim-world, when the controller makes it clear that you must take off immediately, you can walk to the fridge for a soda, eat a bag of chips, take a nap, annoy people on usenet for a couple of hours, and then take off...and it won't make a bit of difference, in the real world. |
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"Rolling" to ATC
Stubby writes:
This is all covered in the FAR/AIM. Is it? Where? I couldn't find any mention of this phrase in the AIM or FARs. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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"Rolling" to ATC
chris writes:
Which is what we are supposed to do, although I have been for a very scary flight in a Cherokee Charger at Raglan where the dude made no radio calls the whole trip, did no run-up, climbed with the stall warning lit up the whole way up, on a very very rough day, did his circuit the wrong direction, then slammed it on the runway and skidded sideways to a stop. So why were you flying with him? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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"Rolling" to ATC
Gary writes:
That's nice. Of course, in sim-world, when the controller makes it clear that you must take off immediately, you can walk to the fridge for a soda, eat a bag of chips, take a nap, annoy people on usenet for a couple of hours, and then take off...and it won't make a bit of difference, in the real world. In the world of simulation, the real world doesn't matter. Two different contexts. And a long delay for take-off in the world of simulation does make a big difference in that world, exactly as it does in real life. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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