Iran's nuclear program

"William Wright" wrote in message news:sybSc.263451$JR4.22190@attbi_s54...
"Thelasian" wrote in message
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zalzon wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:22:47 -0700, Thelasian wrote:

Anything but to blame the USA right?

Who backed and supported Saddam?


Its all part of geopolitics.

In the end, everyone has their hands dirty.

Gee, is that excuse applicable only to the US or can al-Qaeda use it too?

Who cares what al-Qaeda uses as an excuse! This game is called "Last Man
Standing".


Great. Al-Qaeda will appreciate that.

Peter Kemp wrote in message . ..
On 10 Aug 2004 09:22:47 -0700, (Thelasian) wrote:

Steve Hix wrote in message ...
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(Thelasian) wrote:

"W. D. Allen Sr." wrote in message
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"...Proof:
UN clears Iran nuclear facility...."

Is that the same UN that got rich on kickbacks from Saddam Hussein while
closing their eyes to his starving to death Iraqi children during the
1990s?

Oh, so the starving of IRaqi children was the UNs' fault and not the
fault of the USA??

False dilemma.

Blame the responsible party; Saddam Hussein and his cronies.

Anything but to blame the USA right?

Don't forget the rest of the Security Council who voted fo rthe
sanctions regime.


Not quite. The "no fly zones" for example were never approved by the
UNSC, and were only enforced by the UK and US. The rest of the UNSC
didn't say or do anything about it though.



Who backed and supported Saddam?

Just about all teh major Western Powers - US political support,
Russian and French weapons, no doubt us Evil Brits (tm) had some hand
in it as well.


Oh they most certainly did - check out the Scott Inquiry.



Peter Kemp

"William Wright" wrote in message news:qasSc.240459$%_6.226489@attbi_s01...
"Denyav" wrote in message
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I pity anyone who tries to pretend there is some equivalence between the
governments of Iran and the United States. If you start really believe
that, you are so far behind the curve as to make meaningful discussion

Thats the real politics,the countries without nuclear weapons get
occupied and
colonized,but the ones with nuclear weapons,even if they have only a
couple of
of them,treated with soft gloves.

Right up until they use one.


Which no US president has been foolish enough to test.
The potential for 100,000 dead bodies has a way of making saner minds
prevail, instead of a bunch of lunatic neocons running around seeking
to start WWIII

"Jarg" wrote in message om...
"The Enlightenment" wrote in message
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"Thelasian" wrote in message
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Among the smoke-and-mirror and fear-mongering innuendo, these are some
facts about Iran's nuclear program that aren't being mentioned:

1- The Bushehr reactor-which was started under the Shah with US
support-is not a weapons proliferation threat since it is a ligh****er
reactor which is under IAEA safeguard. Even the IAEA itself admits
that much.


There is a push by the same neocons that gave us the invasion of Iraq on
false pretexts to invade Iran. Their henchmen eg Charles Krauthammer, is
already pushing for it.


Not a bad idea, they are one of the worst governments left on the planet!


Except for say Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Israel, and lots of other
US-allied repressive racist tyrannies....



There will be a concerted propaganda-hype campaigne to do this over the
next
few years and there is not doubt that it will have a very high chance of
succeding.


Gotta hope so.


Oil, the powerfull US zionist lobby and general blow back from middle
eastern resentment against the US will all aligne.




Wow, this post has it all - neocons, henchmen, zionists. Makes me wonder
if they have propoganda-bots!

Jarg

"Thelasian" wrote in message
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Thelasian or whoever.
I'm not chasing you across newsgroups, however you seem to enjoy X-posting
in groups that are important to me. Having said that, you sir are a fool or
a troll or BOTH...There are way too many people who think the current
Govt./Theocracy/whatever, in Iran should NOT be trusted with much more than
a F'ing firecracker, much less a nuke..... Quit trying to convince anyone
otherwise. Jeez, where do these guy's come from??? This is one lame ass
argument, anyone with a "lick" of sense knows you're a Turkey!!!(as in, full
of sh*t as a X-mas one)

Regards,

T3

BTW-Dual use is like a calculator? It's more than obvious that you're way
over your head... Puhleese go away and try to spread your B/S
elsewhere..........!

"Thelasian" wrote in message
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"William Wright" wrote in message
news:qasSc.240459$%_6.226489@attbi_s01...
"Denyav" wrote in message
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I pity anyone who tries to pretend there is some equivalence between
the
governments of Iran and the United States. If you start really
believe
that, you are so far behind the curve as to make meaningful
discussion

Thats the real politics,the countries without nuclear weapons get
occupied and
colonized,but the ones with nuclear weapons,even if they have only a
couple of
of them,treated with soft gloves.

Right up until they use one.


Which no US president has been foolish enough to test.
The potential for 100,000 dead bodies has a way of making saner minds
prevail, instead of a bunch of lunatic neocons running around seeking
to start WWIII

I think you misunderstand. First it is WW IV and it was started by al-Qaeda.
After several sucker punches and numerous declarations, they were finally
able to communicate that fact. Second I expect before it is over that the US
will suffer more than 100,000 dead. I think when that happens the US will
uncase its sword and God help the world when that happens. You do understand
that the US spent the last 60 years planning the end of the world don't you.

So yes the US would try to avoid a situation where some idiot initiates
nuclear suicide for the planet. The country that uses one on the US goes
extinct.

As far as no POTUS testing it, well I suggest you review the Missiles of
October.

The al-Qaeda condition for victory is the obliteration of western society.
Personally I take them at their

Behind each and every successful terrorist organization there is a gov.
agency,Al-Qaeda is no exception.
Al-Qaede itself is proxy of US,kind of a much improved and bigger version of
"Operation Northwoods".

If the interests of a group that make less than 20% of US population but
dominate US for centuries require a spectacular PSYOP with deaths of 100000 US
citizens ,then that will happen.

It did happen in 1861,1898,1941 and almost happened in 1961,so why not in 2001
or later?

"As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it more
difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues,except in
circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat"

Zbigniew Brezezinki,1997,Grand Chessboard

"William Wright" wrote:

"Denyav" wrote in message
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I pity anyone who tries to pretend there
is some equivalence between the
governments of Iran and the United States.
If you start really believe
that, you are so far behind the curve as
to make meaningful discussion

Thats the real politics,the countries without
nuclear weapons get
occupied and
colonized,but the ones with nuclear weapons,even
if they have only a
couple of
of them,treated with soft gloves.

Right up until they use one.



And then they get blown off the map by another nuclear power. Even a failed
attack by missile or aircraft would result in retaliation. Severe retaliation.


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"Thelasian" wrote in message
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Not a bad idea, they are one of the worst governments left on the
planet!


Except for say Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Israel, and lots of other
US-allied repressive racist tyrannies....


First, I said one of the worst.. Second, the government of Israel, though
not without flaws, is orders of magnitude better than that of Iran, as
demonstrated by the relative freedom and prosperity its citizens enjoy. As
for Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan, well you had to really dig into the muck to
find comparable nations didn't you!? And I wasn't aware these other
countries you mention are sponsoring and harboring terrorists.

Jarg

From: "William Wright"
Date: 8/12/2004 12:10 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: BwNSc.136515$eM2.70490@attbi_s51


"Denyav" wrote in message
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The al-Qaeda condition for victory is the obliteration of western
society.
Personally I take them at their

Behind each and every successful terrorist organization there is a gov.
agency,Al-Qaeda is no exception.
Al-Qaede itself is proxy of US,kind of a much improved and bigger version
of
"Operation Northwoods".

If the interests of a group that make less than 20% of US population but
dominate US for centuries require a spectacular PSYOP with deaths of
100000 US
citizens ,then that will happen.

It did happen in 1861,1898,1941 and almost happened in 1961,so why not in
2001
or later?

"As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it
more
difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues,except in
circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external
threat"

Zbigniew Brezezinki,1997,Grand Chessboard


This is so stupid it is difficult to even know where to start so I won't.

A while back denyev claimed the Nazis detonated 2 atomic devices in 1945 one of
which was in a highly populated area.

He is a manure salesman with a mouth full off samples.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired