ZZZ - observed at Oshkosh

Sydney Hoeltzli wrote:

RobertR237 wrote:

Look back over the BS that Jaun has posted in the past and maybe you can get a
better understanding of why these comments were made. Besides, Jaun did not
build the BD-5J he is selling but has spent considerable time telling everyone
how great and safe a plane it is.

Not just that, but taunting everyone about how they'd be eating
their words and bowing before him etc when he flew his great
BD-5J into Oshkosh at whatever TAS it's supposed to achieve

Cheers,
Sydney

Maybe Juan is waiting for "he who shall not be named" to make the first flight so he
can add to his 1000s of plane types he has flown

Warren

In article , John Ousterhout
says...

He whose name shall not be spoken gave a press conference on Tuesday
Morning to announce the awards that he was bestowing. Four people
attended.

- J.O.-

But you can bet the farm when "he" reports it the place was packed with
thousands of supporters...He was spotted taking photos of the "zoom free zone"
signs that were posted on various booths. Everyone who asked what it meant was
refered to your web site :-) He's a phony and always was....

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

"evil didn't triumph because good men spoke and evil was nuts"

In article , Morgans says...


"John Thompson" wrote in message
...
I noticed a flyer offering a BD-5 for sale on the bulleting board in
front of the EAA Wearhouse, by none other that "our" Juan J.
Looked pretty complete.

John

Everything except the flight testing. Would you fly something someone else
built, that you had not been involved with along the way? Especially
something with as bad a reputation as a BD 5.

Jim (my momma didn't raise no fool) in NC


Seems mr macho man lacks the courage of his convictions to fly the plane he has
so staunchly defended over the last year or so. It's one thing to talk the talk
but he seems to lack the testicular fortitude to stand behind his beliefs and
walk the walk.

Maybe he could get the graduate of a National Test Pilot School to do him a
favor and fly it....Phonies the bunch of 'em..

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

In article , Ron Wanttaja says...


Pretty bad when he is afraid to fly it himself, all talk and no go.

Well...I've had my go-arounds with Juan, but I recall him posting that he
just got his medical back. I don't know the circumstances, but the issues
may be making it difficult to operate a small, high-performance aircraft.
And I know he wouldn't want to open it for discussion here.....

Ron Wanttaja

Ron all I can say is watch your 6 :-)

Chuck S

Maybe Juan is waiting for "he who shall not be named" to make the first
flight so he
can add to his 1000s of plane types he has flown

Warren

If I make a paper airplane, write SR-71 on the side and throw it can I claim to
have flown an SR-71? It's the only way I can see how a person can fly the
number of types he has claimed.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

In article , Bernie the Bunion
writes:


Look back over the BS that Jaun has posted in the past and maybe you can
get a
better understanding of why these comments were made. Besides, Jaun did
not
build the BD-5J he is selling but has spent considerable time telling
everyone
how great and safe a plane it is.

Bob I really don't want to get into a ****ing match with you, juan,
jerry, or anybody else in this newsgroup, and I'm very well aware
of the BS that Juan has posted here just as well as the BS that
other's have posted here.


No ****ing match Bernie and to some degree, I agree that calling Jaun a coward
or even implying that he is a coward is out of line.

But...... If YOU suddenly advertised YOUR KIS project as being finished,
ready for it's first flight and for sale, and I came along and asked you
if you were afraid to fly it, you know very well what the response
would be.


Hell, I might just be afraid to fly it and hire a professional test flight for
that critical first flight. Then again, I have never made it a point to ever
say otherwise. In fact, I tend to believe that using a professional for the
initial test flight is the smartest thing a builder could do. I can assure you
of one thing though, if I finish it, I will fly it before I consider selling
it.

Your generally held in high esteem in this group and for a variety
of reasons I am not.


Not sure of that at times but thanks for the comment.

So Bob if I infered that you were afraid to fly your plane, am I not
infering that you are a coward just like your friend Jerry inferred
that Juan is a coward all talk and no go..... Let's not mince words.

Jerry Springer's exact words.......

Pretty bad when he is afraid to fly it himself, all talk and no go.


Maybe yes, maybe not, and maybe Juan has only himself to blame for boasting
himself into a corner.

The reasons Juan has his plane for sale is his business and his
business alone.


Agreed.

He doesn't have to justify selling his own property to you or anyone
else the same as you wouldn't have to justify selling your own property
to me or anyone else.

If Mr Springer can't understand his off the cuff comments were
uncharitable in the extreme and go oooppssss sorry, then I can't
help him with his manners and neither can you or anyone else.

He has to stare himself in the mirror each day just like the rest of us.

Nobody likes to have to publicly apologize folks, especially to someone
that they generally dislike.

Hey when's the last time ANYONE apologized to me for anything.
Funny but I can't remember either.

But in my own case there have been times in this very newsgroup when
I've shot my toes off and the next day gone oooooooopssssss.

And after gritting my teeth, I've apologized sincerly without trying to
slide away from my responsibility.

And you know Bob, I might feel a little sheepish after the fact, but
I also feel good about myself for doing what was right.



We all must look ourselves in the mirror on a daily basis and decide if we like
what we see. I will not condem Jerry or Jaun in this situation because I can
relate to both of them. Hell, If I were Jaun, I would also be afraid to fly
that damn thing.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

RobertR237 wrote:
I can assure you of one thing though, if I finish it, I will fly
it before I consider selling it.

When you finish it, Robert.

When.
Sydney

Sydney Hoeltzli wrote:

RobertR237 wrote:
I can assure you of one thing though, if I finish it, I will fly
it before I consider selling it.

When you finish it, Robert.

When.
Sydney


When you finish it, Robert.

It's probably just part of the gestation process of small airplanes
that the creator, at times, has doubts.

press 1, repeatedly,
then get back to work.

Richard

In article , John Thompson says...

I noticed a flyer offering a BD-5 for sale on the bulleting board in
front of the EAA Wearhouse, by none other that "our" Juan J.
Looked pretty complete.

Yeah, right guy. This is Juan's third BD-5, and it's a BD-5J.

Juan has been ambivalent about whether to finish or sell it. He has been
planning to move back to
his native Puerto Rico, and wanted a plane that (1) was suitable for overwater
trips to the mainland,
and (2) would carry 4 people, or two and luggage. Especially as his son is
starting to get into
flying. So when he's looking for a practical plane, a BD-5J is not it.

Last I understood, he was going to finish and fly the BD-5J. He didn't start it,
in fact it was
complete and might have flown (?) in Australia, but when it was containered to
him it broke free in
the container and he had a lot of physical damage to repair (which is done now).
The Aussies
mandated some changes in the design (a built-up spar in place of the Bede tube
spar was one),
and I know that Juan found that a couple of the things on the plane were not
built with the latest
updates (thinking tail surfaces here).

I don't think there's anything wrong with Juan's plane (I saw it a year ago),
but he's a victim of the
fact that a BD-5J is a real oddity, and there is not a lot of demand for it.

If anybody is seriously looking for a 5J, Juan's is worth looking at. If he
flies it (and lives) he will
probably change his mind about selling it.

cheers

-=K=-

Rule #1: Don't hit anything big.

In article , Big John says...

What happened to the 'other' birds he built and sold prior to flight?

John and guys,

Juan sold a part-complete BD-5B that he had been working on for a while and
bought (as 'parts') a
BD-5 that had flown a lot with several different powerplants and then gone to
seed. He worked on
the second one for a while and then flipped it for this one, which is his real
dream plane, the BD-
5J. He has discovered that a practical plane might suit him better.

Of course, like all of us, he has work issues, family issues, and unlike most of
us the poor guy's
had some health issues.

I've probably spent more time around Juan than anyone who posts on this board.
As a number of
y'all discovered in a bury-the-hatchet meeting last year, he can be pretty
stubborn and
argumentative. I like the guy, and think that if he could find the balls to crew
USMC CH-46s, a
machine with the safety record of Old Sparky, he will have no problem finding
the gumption to fly
his -5J. He has been talking about having the first flight done by a pro --
which is something any
builder should seriously consider.

We all think we're hot rocks as pilots, but there are guys out there who are
real hot rocks, AND
they don't have the emotional attachment to the machine that the builder does.

cheers

-=K=-

Rule #1: Don't hit anything big.