An Unexpected Finding Among Commercial Pilots

Big John writes:

You must have some experience with a drinking problem?

I don't use recreational or illicit drugs at all.

I can rinse my mouth out with a mouth wash that contains alcohol and I
then cannot pass the 'breathalizer' test.

So? You won't fail a blood test.

If I don't fly (legally) drunk (test does not evaluate your ability to
make correct decisions and act accordingly) what is it of interest
what I do on my time off if I meet the 12 hours from bottle to stick.

Twelve hours should be sufficient for most purposes. It would be better not
to drink at all, but I realize how addicted some people are to the drug.

You need personal experience (with the use of alcohol which I have) to
comment on the stupid original posting.

Drinkers often try to rationalize their reckless use of the drug, a behavior
that is common to substance abusers in general.

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:18:55 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Big John writes:

You must have some experience with a drinking problem?

I don't use recreational or illicit drugs at all.

I can rinse my mouth out with a mouth wash that contains alcohol and I
then cannot pass the 'breathalizer' test.

So? You won't fail a blood test.

If I don't fly (legally) drunk (test does not evaluate your ability to
make correct decisions and act accordingly) what is it of interest
what I do on my time off if I meet the 12 hours from bottle to stick.

Twelve hours should be sufficient for most purposes. It would be better not
to drink at all, but I realize how addicted some people are to the drug.

You need personal experience (with the use of alcohol which I have) to
comment on the stupid original posting.

Drinkers often try to rationalize their reckless use of the drug, a behavior
that is common to substance abusers in general.


Again nothing but idiot remarks. Please get with it. Since you
apparently don't fly yiu don't know the rules thuddddddddddddddddddd.

You keep talking about drugs. What drugs are you talking about?

Big John

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...

And people who are willing to drive drunk are generally willing to fly
drunk as well.

I disagree. I know hundreds of pilots, but not a single one who will fly
after drinking. I know plenty if people who will drive after drinking. I
mistrust your sample.

nobody writes:

I disagree. I know hundreds of pilots, but not a single one who will fly
after drinking.

How many of them have been cited for driving while intoxicated?

I know plenty if people who will drive after drinking. I
mistrust your sample.

How many pilots do you know who will drive after drinking but won't fly?

In general, if a drinker manages to rationalize driving under the influence,
it's not really any different to rationalize flying under the influence. Even
airline pilots are caught at this.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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nobody writes:

I disagree. I know hundreds of pilots, but not a single one who will fly
after drinking.

How many of them have been cited for driving while intoxicated?

None.


How many pilots do you know who will drive after drinking but won't fly?

I can think of at least ten


In general, if a drinker manages to rationalize driving under the
influence,
it's not really any different to rationalize flying under the influence.

As I said, I mistrust your sample. I socialize with pilots and non-pilots.
How many pilots do you socialize with?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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nobody writes:

I disagree. I know hundreds of pilots, but not a single
one who will fly
after drinking.

How many of them have been cited for driving while
intoxicated?

I know plenty if people who will drive after drinking. I
mistrust your sample.

How many pilots do you know who will drive after drinking
but won't fly?

Quite a few.

In general, if a drinker manages to rationalize driving
under the influence,
it's not really any different to rationalize flying under
the influence.

Wrong. Loss of judgment due to addiction is incremental,
not a binary state.

Even airline pilots are caught at this.

Almost always only after they have reached an advanced stage
in their addiction.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

nobody writes:

I disagree. I know hundreds of pilots, but not a single one who will
fly after drinking.

How many of them have been cited for driving while intoxicated?

I know plenty if people who will drive after drinking. I
mistrust your sample.

How many pilots do you know who will drive after drinking but won't
fly?


Dozens.


Bertie

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:20:10 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

nobody writes:

I disagree. I know hundreds of pilots, but not a single one who will fly
after drinking.

How many of them have been cited for driving while intoxicated?

I know plenty if people who will drive after drinking. I
mistrust your sample.

How many pilots do you know who will drive after drinking but won't fly?

In general, if a drinker manages to rationalize driving under the influence,
it's not really any different to rationalize flying under the influence. Even
airline pilots are caught at this.


I'm getting to feel more like Bertie. Your not only a closet idiot but
a big A** hole.

I'm gone. Have a bad day. I can't waste my more time with A** holes.

Big John

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

I know a couple. They will happily drive their car after having a glass
of beer, but the same people would never think of flying a plane after
the same beer.

Why do they make the distinction? Car accidents are much more common than
airplane accidents, and typically 50% involve alcohol. How do they justify
driving under the influence of the drug? And if they think it's okay, how can
one be sure that they won't make the same mistake when flying?

Apparently many other people think they're different.

Yes. That's why so many people die in vehicular accidents after consuming
alcohol. They always think they are special.

"Some Other Guy" wrote in message
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Big John wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:24:42 -0800 (PST), javawizard
wrote:
A newspaper reporter discovered that 41 commercial airline pilots in
Minnesota have had their car drivers' licenses revoked due to drunken
driving, yet they are still flying jumbo jets. - from the
Transportation section of www.odd-info.com

What does a car drivers license have to do with flying a jet
transport?

In Ontario, Canada, they can technically charge you with drunk driving and
suspend your driver's license if you are over the limit on a sailboat or
even a bicycle.

What does a bicycle or sailboat have to do with a motor vehicle? Beats
me.


You're "drinking" record.