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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:24:17 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f got double secret probation for writing: Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. We gots ours! http://www.airshipventures.com Was watching it a few months ago doing patterns around Moffet field. |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure
George wrote: How about the hijacked jet that crashed off the Atlantic? And what jet would that be? Graham |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure
Government Shill #2 wrote: Great Tarverisms #5 The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the kind of failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without P1 and T0 a jet will stall in fog. Thanks to both of you for playing. John rec.aviation.military 11 August 2002 Has he expired ? Graham |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure
Government Shill #2 wrote:
George wrote: I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin? From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat) straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed, to fly/glide the airplane? ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it. Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just above stall speed. http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0 A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered. Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into the water. PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of airspeed and control during takeoff. " |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:11:03 +0000, Eeyore
wrote: Government Shill #2 wrote: Great Tarverisms #5 The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the kind of failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without P1 and T0 a jet will stall in fog. Thanks to both of you for playing. John rec.aviation.military 11 August 2002 Has he expired ? No. That was the day that he came out with that nonsense. -- Shill #2 Great Tarverisms #2 What is the best selling beer in Oz? Budweiser. Another illusion shattered. John alt.disasters.aviation 18 August 2002 |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:34:27 -0500, "Scott M. Kozel"
wrote: Government Shill #2 wrote: George wrote: I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin? From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat) straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed, to fly/glide the airplane? ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it. Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just above stall speed. http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0 A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered. Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into the water. PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of airspeed and control during takeoff. " Ah yes. That's what it was. -- Shill #2 Great Tarverisms #4 The clerk boy is practicly illiterate. John alt.disasters.aviation 10 November 2002 |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 19, 5:03*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
"George" wrote in message ... On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or Ricky. Are you having an identity crisis? Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX. George (aka; Ricky) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own? Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still have a dumb ass. Lucky for you he did since apparently, judging from your own post below, you couldn't figure out where the Mx came from. Silly moron. Oh, to help you find it, it's the first sentence of the last paragraph of your post below. ************************************************** ***************** ""Ricky" wrote in message news:2e1c9809-bac6-434b- ... On Jan 16, 12:59 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: Tech Support wrote in message ... Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision. Big John ************************************************** ************ I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have time or power to lift it. That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have "MX" in their names. Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was when **** started happening? " |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
wrote in message ... Good job. You have just proven yourself as stupid and childish as your friend. |
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Turboprops
Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:25:34 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... snip of your usual bull**** - Good job Gertie. After the absence of your ignorance for a couple of months, the newsgroup begins to show signs of becoming useful again, and here you are, spouting your wanna be troll nonsense, and cross posting to the kook world. Are you afraid Mx was stealing your thunder? Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like watching a turtle turned on it's back. Bertie Whenever I find an injured animal I always try to help it. It makes me feel warm inside... How do you feel about post turtles? Somwon already poasted that joke...which i have forgotten -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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