VFR "picking his way thru" heavy cells with XM Radio weather

On 6/4/2007 2:03:50 PM, "Peter R." wrote:

For education purposes, though, I thought it might be beneficial to
retrieve and edit the archive files into a short clip (and also removing
the majority of the tail ID so the resulting clip cannot be used against
the pilot) with the relevant content. When I have the clip, I will post it
to a file sharing site and the link to this thread.

Here's the clip. I uploaded it to a free file hosting site and then attempted
to copy the direct download link, bypassing the annoying
wait-30-seconds-to-read-the-ads page. If the download doesn't work, let me
know and I will upload it to a different location:

I have edited the clip by removing non-essential communications and removing
dead air. The clip is about 3.1 Mb and approx. 4 minutes long.

http://download2-6.files-upload.com/.../XMweather.mp3

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:


Here's the clip. I uploaded it to a free file hosting site and then attempted
to copy the direct download link, bypassing the annoying
wait-30-seconds-to-read-the-ads page. If the download doesn't work, let me
know and I will upload it to a different location:
/snip/
http://download2-6.files-upload.com/.../XMweather.mp3


"The page you are looking for is temporarily unavailable.
Please try again later."

On 6/4/2007 5:18:31 PM, Scott Skylane wrote:

Peter R. wrote:


Here's the clip. I uploaded it to a free file hosting site and then attempted
to copy the direct download link, bypassing the annoying
wait-30-seconds-to-read-the-ads page. If the download doesn't work, let me
know and I will upload it to a different location:
/snip/
http://download2-6.files-upload.com/.../XMweather.mp3


"The page you are looking for is temporarily unavailable.
Please try again later."

OK, disregard that link. I don't want to put you through the 30 second wait
time to read all the ads. Instead I resurrected my web space that used to
house my website. For the time being it is my free file host. Here's the
file:

http://thericcs.net/files/XMweather.mp3

I really need to put up some flying pages. That would be a good use of the
site.

--
Peter

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:11:53 -0400, "Peter R."
wrote in :


http://download2-6.files-upload.com/.../XMweather.mp3

This link doesn't work for me.

Peter R. wrote:
Here's the clip. I uploaded it to a free file hosting site and then
attempted to copy the direct download link, bypassing the annoying
wait-30-seconds-to-read-the-ads page.

Unfortunately, they're ahead of you. They're checking referrers (or a
similar technique) so the direct links won't work; this gets their ad
impressions up and keeps their bandwidth bill down. Somebody else tried
to post a direct link to files-upload.com here recently and it didn't
work - you need to find and post the link to the "wait for ads" page.

The link that didn't work was similar to the one you posted:

http://downloadX-Y.files-upload.com/...e-filename.ext

The link that does work will look something like this:

http://files-upload.com/files/NNNNNN/the-filename.ext

If the download doesn't work, let me know and I will upload it to a
different location:

Most every ISP gives you a few megs of personal Web space and that works
well for things like this. You could also post it to
alt.binaries.multimedia.aviation , but in these latter days, most people
won't know how to retrieve it from there.

Matt Roberds

On 6/4/2007 6:05:36 PM, wrote:

Unfortunately, they're ahead of you.

Yep, it was a long shot. If you hadn't seen my other post, I put the clip to
some webspace I had in my back pocket but hadn't used in years.

--
Peter

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:03:52 -0400, "Peter R."
wrote in :

I am not going to be the one to
report anyone, since IMO this is quite a gray area.

I understand your reluctance to squeal on a fellow airman, but how are
you going to feel when you learn that his ineptitude has caused his,
and perhaps the deaths of others?

It might be reasonable to contact the airman directly. Just a
thought.

On Jun 4, 1:58 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:

I understand your reluctance to squeal on a fellow airman, but how are
you going to feel when you learn that his ineptitude has caused his,
and perhaps the deaths of others?

It might be reasonable to contact the airman directly. Just a
thought.

FSDO : Hello Larry?
Larry : Yes?
FSDO : Some guy on the internet called us because he didn't think
you used good judgement on your flight last Saturday afternoon.
Larry : Who is this guy? Was he in the air at the time? Is he a
controller?
FSDO : Nope, just some random guy on the internet who has decided,
from a few scraps of data on the internet, that your WX judgement is
not up to snuff.
Larry : But he wasn't even there. Did I break any regs?
FSDO : There's no evidence that you broke any regs, Larry. It
doesn't really matter though. What does matter is the opinion of
some guy on the internet, and how, from the safety of his chair, he
has determined that you messed up enough to warrant a report to the
FSDO.

Maybe this guy messed up, maybe what he did was well within the
regs. Personally, I don't know how much weight this guy was actually
placing in his XM weather, as opposed to what he was seeing out the
window. The fact is, no one on this newsgroup knows that. I think
the idea of reporting someone to the FSDO because you think your
judgement (sitting behind a keyboard) is superior to what you think
his judgement might have been, is absurd.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:49:34 -0700, John Galban
wrote in .com:

On Jun 4, 1:58 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:

I understand your reluctance to squeal on a fellow airman, but how are
you going to feel when you learn that his ineptitude has caused his,
and perhaps the deaths of others?

It might be reasonable to contact the airman directly. Just a
thought.

FSDO : Hello Larry?
Larry : Yes?
FSDO : Some guy on the internet called us because he didn't think
you used good judgement on your flight last Saturday afternoon.
Larry : Who is this guy? Was he in the air at the time? Is he a
controller?
FSDO : Nope, just some random guy on the internet who has decided,
from a few scraps of data on the internet, that your WX judgement is
not up to snuff.
Larry : But he wasn't even there. Did I break any regs?
FSDO : There's no evidence that you broke any regs, Larry. It
doesn't really matter though. What does matter is the opinion of
some guy on the internet, and how, from the safety of his chair, he
has determined that you messed up enough to warrant a report to the
FSDO.

Maybe this guy messed up, maybe what he did was well within the
regs. Personally, I don't know how much weight this guy was actually
placing in his XM weather, as opposed to what he was seeing out the
window. The fact is, no one on this newsgroup knows that. I think
the idea of reporting someone to the FSDO because you think your
judgement (sitting behind a keyboard) is superior to what you think
his judgement might have been, is absurd.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)



John,

My suggestion was to the OP who was listening to the ATC exchanges,
had some radar WX data, and is familiar with the area.

My understanding of what occurred is that the line of CBs was moving
north toward the intended airport of arrival while the C-712 pilot was
moving east toward the airport. Without knowledge of the locations of
the cells, I agree, it's difficult to know just how much danger the
pilot was in, but when he turned south to wait out the weather it
would seem that he'd have to have gone right through them. But who
knows?

Peter R. writes:

Not only do I have the tail-id but I also have the exact exchange, thanks to
LiveATC.net's 40-day archive. However, Larry, I am not going to be the one to
report anyone, since IMO this is quite a gray area. I personally have a very
different take on reporting pilots to the FAA.

You'd prefer that he die in a thunderstorm instead?

For education purposes, though, I thought it might be beneficial to retrieve
and edit the archive files into a short clip (and also removing the majority
of the tail ID so the resulting clip cannot be used against the pilot) with
the relevant content. When I have the clip, I will post it to a file sharing
site and the link to this thread.

You seem very worried about protecting the pilot--but you're not protecting
him in the right way.