About French cowards.

Damn good post.

France actually does help the US - the only non-US planes to drop bombs in
Afghanistan were French, and the US now uses a French base in Djibouti. The
difference between the french and the Brits is that France offers help on
its own terms, while the Brits are basically subservient to the US and will
do whatever it says.

Mike

"Skysurfer" wrote in message
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The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like "I
Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military history,
supposedly proving how the French are total cowards. If you want to
see a sample of this dumbass Frog bashing, try this:

www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Well, I'm going to tell you guys something you probably don't want
to hear: these sites are total bull****, the notion that the French
are cowards is total bull****, and anybody who knows anything about
European military history knows damn well that over the past
thousand years, the French have the most glorious military history
in Europe, maybe the world.

Before you send me more of those death threats, let me finish. I
hate Chirac too, and his disco foreign minister with the blow-dry
'do and the snotty smile. But there are two things I hate more than
I hate the French: ignorant fake war buffs, and people who are
ungrateful. And when an American mouths off about French military
history, he's not just being ignorant, he's being ungrateful. I was
raised to think ungrateful people were trash.

When I say ungrateful, I'm talking about the American Revolution. If
you're a true American patriot, then this is the war that matters.
Hell, most of you probably couldn't name three major battles from
it, but try going back to when you read Johnny Tremaine in fourth
grade and you might recall a little place called Yorktown, Virginia,
where we bottled up Cornwallis's army, forced the Brits' surrender
and pretty much won the war.

Well, news flash: "we" didn't win that battle, any more than the
Northern Alliance conquered the Taliban. The French army and navy
won Yorktown for us. Americans didn't have the materiel or the
training to mount a combined operation like that, with naval
blockade and land siege. It was the French artillery forces and
military engineers who ran the siege, and at sea it was a French
admiral, de Grasse, who kicked the **** out of the British navy when
they tried to break the siege.

Long before that, in fact as soon as we showed the Brits at Saratoga
that we could win once in a while, they started pouring in huge
shipments of everything from cannon to uniforms. We'd never have got
near Yorktown if it wasn't for massive French aid.

So how come you *******s don't mention Yorktown in your cheap
webpages? I'll tell you why: because you're too ignorant to know
about it and too dishonest to mention it if you did.

The thing that gets to me is why Americans hate the French so much
when they only did us good and never did us any harm. Like, why not
hate the Brits? They're the ones who killed thousands of Americans
in the Revolution, and thirty years later they came back and
attacked us again. That time around they managed to burn Washington
DC to the ground while they were at it. How come you web jerks never
mention that?

Sure, the easy answer is because the Brits are with us now, and the
French aren't. But being a war buff means knowing your history and
respecting it.

Well, so much for ungrateful. Now let's talk about ignorant. And
that's what you are if you think the French can't fight: just plain
ignorant. Appreciation of the French martial spirit is just about
the most basic way you can distinguish real war nerds from fake
little teachers'pets.

Let's take the toughest case first: the German invasion, 1940, when
the French Army supposedly disgraced itself against the Wehrmacht.
This is the only real evidence you'll find to call the French
cowards, and the more you know about it, the less it proves. Yeah,
the French were scared of Hitler. Who wasn't? Chamberlain, the
British prime minister, all but licked the Fuhrer's goosesteppers,
basically let him have all of Central Europe, because Britain was
terrified of war with Germany. Hell, Stalin signed a sweetheart deal
with Hitler out of sheer terror, and Stalin wasn't a man who scared
easy.

The French were scared, all right. But they had reason to be. For
starters, they'd barely begun to recover from their last little
scrap with the Germans: a little squabble you might've heard of,
called WW I.

WW I was the worst war in history to be a soldier in. WW II was
worse if you were a civilian, but the trenches of WW I were five
years of Hell like General Sherman never dreamed of. At the end of
it a big chunk of northern France looked like the surface of the
moon, only bloodier, nothing but craters and rats and entrails.

Verdun. Just that name was enough to make Frenchmen and Germans, the
few who survived it, wake up yelling for years afterward. The French
lost 1.5 million men out of a total population of 40 million
fighting the Germans from 1914-1918. A lot of those guys died
charging German machine-gun nests with bayonets. I'd really like to
see one of you office smartasses joke about "surrender monkeys" with
a French soldier, 1914 vintage. You'd **** your dockers.

****, we strut around like we're so tough and we can't even handle a
few uppity Iraqi villages. These guys faced the Germans head on for
five years, and we call them cowards? And at the end, it was the
Germans, not the French, who said "calf rope."

When the sequel war came, the French relied on their frontier
fortifications and used their tanks (which were better than the
Germans', one on one) defensively. The Germans had a newer, better
offensive strategy. So they won. And the French surrendered. Which
was damn sensible of them.

This was the WEHRMACHT. In two years, they conquered all of Western
Europe and lost only 30,000 troops in the process. That's less than
the casualties of Gettysburg. You get the picture? Nobody, no army
on earth, could've held off the Germans under the conditions that
the French faced them. The French lost because they had a long land
border with Germany. The English survived because they had the
English Channel between them and the Wehrmacht. When the English
Army faced the Wermacht at Dunkirk, well, thanks to spin the tuck-
tail-and-flee result got turned into some heroic tale of a brilliant
British retreat. The fact is, even the Brits behaved like cowards in
the face of the Wermacht, abandoning the French. It's that simple.

Here's a quick sampler of some of my favorite French victories, like
an antidote to those ignorant websites. We'll start way back and
move up to the 20th century.

Tours, 732 AD: The Muslims had already taken Spain and were well on
their way to taking the rest of Europe. The only power with a chance
of stopping them was the French army under Charles "the Hammer"
Martel, King of the Franks (French), who answered to the really cool
nickname "the Hammer of God." It was the French who saved the
continent's ass. All the smart money was on the Muslims: there were
60,000 of them, crazy Jihadis whose cavalry was faster and deadlier
than any in Europe. The French army was heavily outnumbered and had
no cavalry. Fighting in phalanxes, they held against dozens of
cavalry charges and after at least two days of hand-to-hand combat,
finally managed to hack their way to the Muslim center and kill
their commander. The Muslims retreated to Spain, and Europe
developed as an independent civilization.

Orleans, May 1429: Joan of Arc: is she the most insanely cool
military commander in history or what? This French peasant girl gets
instructions from her favorite saints to help out the French against
the English invaders. She goes to the King (well, the Dauphin, but
close enough) and tells him to give her the army and she'll take it
from there. And somehow she convinces him. She takes the army, which
has lost every battle it's been in lately, to Orleans, which is
under English siege. Now Joan is a nice girl, so she tries to settle
things peaceably. She explains in a letter to the enemy commanders
that everything can still be cool, ".provided you give up France.and
go back to your own countries, for God's sake. And if you do not,
wait for the Maid, who will visit you briefly to your great sorrow."
The next day she put on armor, mounted a charger, and prepared to
lead the attack on the besiegers' fortifications. She ordered the
gates opened, but the Mayor refused until Joan explained that she,
personally, would cut off his head. The gates went up, the French
sallied out, and Joan led the first successful attack they'd made in
years. The English strongpoints were taken, the siege was broken,
and Joan's career in the cow-milking trade was over.

Braddock's Defeat (aka Battle of Monongahela) July 1755: Next time
you're driving through the Ohio Valley, remember you're passing near
the site of a great French victory over an Anglo-American force
twice its size. General Edward Braddock marched west from Virginia
with 1,500 men-a very large army in 18th-c. America. His orders were
to seize French land and forts in the Valley-your basic undeclared
land-grab invasion. The French joined the local tribes to resist,
and then set up a classic ambush. It was a slaughter. More than half
of Braddock's force-880 men-were killed or wounded. The only Anglo
officer to escape unhurt was this guy called George Washington, and
even he had two horses shot out from under him. After a few minutes
of non-stop fire from French and Indians hidden in the woods,
Braddock's command came apart like something out of Nam, post-Tet.
Braddock was hit and wounded, but none of his troops would risk
getting shot to rescue him.

Austerlitz, Dec. 1805: You always hear about Austerlitz as
"Napoleon's Greatest Victory," like the little guy personally went
out and wiped out the combined Russian and Austrian armies. The fact
is, ever since the Revolution in 1789, French armies had been
kicking ass against everybody. They were free citizens fighting
against scared peasant and degenerate mercenaries, and it was no
contest. At Austerlitz, 65,000 French troops took on 90,000 Russians
and Austrians and destroyed them. Absolutely annihilated them. The
French lost only 8,000, compared to 29,000 of the enemy. The tactics
Bonaparte used were very risky, and would only have worked with
superb troops: he encouraged the enemy to attack a weak line, then
brought up reinforcements who'd been held out of sight. That kind of
tactical plan takes iron discipline and perfect timing-and the
French had it.

Jena, Oct. 1806: just a quick reminder for anybody who thinks the
Germans always beat the French. Napoleon takes on the Prussian army
and destroys it. 27,000 Prussian casualties vs. 5,000 French.
Prussian army routed, pursued for miles by French cavalry.

You eXile guys might want to remember that the French under Napoleon
are still the only army ever to have taken all of continental
Europe, from Moscow to Madrid. I could keep listing French victories
till I had a book. In fact, it's not a bad idea. A nice big
hardback, so you could take it to the assholes running all the anti-
French-military sites and bash their heads in with it.

Skysurfer wrote in message
. 0.75...
http://www.exile.ru/175/175052003.html


The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like "I
Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military history,
supposedly proving how the French are total cowards. If you want to
see a sample of this dumbass Frog bashing, try this:


How many times are you going to post this. BTW, the French are fearsome
when they give command to mentally ill teenage girls or Corsicans,
otherwise they are appeasing little ballerinas.

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

tscottme wrote :

The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like
"I Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military
history, supposedly proving how the French are total cowards. If
you want to see a sample of this dumbass Frog bashing, try this:

How many times are you going to post this.

It was posted by me only once.

Here's the exact same posting about one week ago. Perhaps you two
should get married.

The French

by Gary Brecher

The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like "I
Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military history,
supposedly proving how the French are total cowards. If you want to
see a sample of this dumbass Frog bashing, try this:

www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Well, I'm going to tell you guys something you probably don't want to
hear: these sites are total bull****, the notion that the French are
cowards is total bull****, and anybody who knows anything about
European military history knows damn well that over the past thousand
years, the French have the most glorious military history in Europe,
maybe the world.

Before you send me more of those death threats, let me finish. I hate
Chirac too, and his disco foreign minister with the blow-dry 'do and
the snotty smile. But there are two things I hate more than I hate the
French: ignorant fake war buffs, and people who are ungrateful. And
when an American mouths off about French military history, he's not
just being ignorant, he's being ungrateful. I was raised to think
ungrateful people were trash.

When I say ungrateful, I'm talking about the American Revolution. If
you're a true American patriot, then this is the war that matters.
Hell, most of you probably couldn't name three major battles from it,
but try going back to when you read Johnny Tremaine in fourth grade
and you might recall a little place called Yorktown, Virginia, where
we bottled up Cornwallis's army, forced the Brits' surrender and
pretty much won the war.

Well, news flash: "we" didn't win that battle, any more than the
Northern Alliance conquered the Taliban. The French army and navy won
Yorktown for us. Americans didn't have the materiel or the training to
mount a combined operation like that, with naval blockade and land
siege. It was the French artillery forces and military engineers who
ran the siege, and at sea it was a French admiral, de Grasse, who
kicked the **** out of the British navy when they tried to break the
siege.

Long before that, in fact as soon as we showed the Brits at Saratoga
that we could win once in a while, they started pouring in huge
shipments of everything from cannon to uniforms. We'd never have got
near Yorktown if it wasn't for massive French aid.

So how come you *******s don't mention Yorktown in your cheap
webpages? I'll tell you why: because you're too ignorant to know about
it and too dishonest to mention it if you did.

The thing that gets to me is why Americans hate the French so much
when they only did us good and never did us any harm. Like, why not
hate the Brits? They're the ones who killed thousands of Americans in
the Revolution, and thirty years later they came back and attacked us
again. That time around they managed to burn Washington DC to the
ground while they were at it. How come you web jerks never mention
that?

Sure, the easy answer is because the Brits are with us now, and the
French aren't. But being a war buff means knowing your history and
respecting it.

Well, so much for ungrateful. Now let's talk about ignorant. And
that's what you are if you think the French can't fight: just plain
ignorant. Appreciation of the French martial spirit is just about the
most basic way you can distinguish real war nerds from fake little
teachers'pets.

Let's take the toughest case first: the German invasion, 1940, when
the French Army supposedly disgraced itself against the Wehrmacht.
This is the only real evidence you'll find to call the French cowards,
and the more you know about it, the less it proves. Yeah, the French
were scared of Hitler. Who wasn't? Chamberlain, the British prime
minister, all but licked the Fuhrer's goosesteppers, basically let him
have all of Central Europe, because Britain was terrified of war with
Germany. Hell, Stalin signed a sweetheart deal with Hitler out of
sheer terror, and Stalin wasn't a man who scared easy.

The French were scared, all right. But they had reason to be. For
starters, they'd barely begun to recover from their last little scrap
with the Germans: a little squabble you might've heard of, called WW
I.

WW I was the worst war in history to be a soldier in. WW II was worse
if you were a civilian, but the trenches of WW I were five years of
Hell like General Sherman never dreamed of. At the end of it a big
chunk of northern France looked like the surface of the moon, only
bloodier, nothing but craters and rats and entrails.

Verdun. Just that name was enough to make Frenchmen and Germans, the
few who survived it, wake up yelling for years afterward. The French
lost 1.5 million men out of a total population of 40 million fighting
the Germans from 1914-1918. A lot of those guys died charging German
machine-gun nests with bayonets. I'd really like to see one of you
office smartasses joke about "surrender monkeys" with a French
soldier, 1914 vintage. You'd **** your dockers.

****, we strut around like we're so tough and we can't even handle a
few uppity Iraqi villages. These guys faced the Germans head on for
five years, and we call them cowards? And at the end, it was the
Germans, not the French, who said "calf rope."

When the sequel war came, the French relied on their frontier
fortifications and used their tanks (which were better than the
Germans', one on one) defensively. The Germans had a newer, better
offensive strategy. So they won. And the French surrendered. Which was
damn sensible of them.

This was the WEHRMACHT. In two years, they conquered all of Western
Europe and lost only 30,000 troops in the process. That's less than
the casualties of Gettysburg. You get the picture? Nobody, no army on
earth, could've held off the Germans under the conditions that the
French faced them. The French lost because they had a long land border
with Germany. The English survived because they had the English
Channel between them and the Wehrmacht. When the English Army faced
the Wermacht at Dunkirk, well, thanks to spin the tuck-tail-and-flee
result got turned into some heroic tale of a brilliant British
retreat. The fact is, even the Brits behaved like cowards in the face
of the Wermacht, abandoning the French. It's that simple.

Here's a quick sampler of some of my favorite French victories, like
an antidote to those ignorant websites. We'll start way back and move
up to the 20th century.

Tours, 732 AD: The Muslims had already taken Spain and were well on
their way to taking the rest of Europe. The only power with a chance
of stopping them was the French army under Charles "the Hammer"
Martel, King of the Franks (French), who answered to the really cool
nickname "the Hammer of God." It was the French who saved the
continent's ass. All the smart money was on the Muslims: there were
60,000 of them, crazy Jihadis whose cavalry was faster and deadlier
than any in Europe. The French army was heavily outnumbered and had no
cavalry. Fighting in phalanxes, they held against dozens of cavalry
charges and after at least two days of hand-to-hand combat, finally
managed to hack their way to the Muslim center and kill their
commander. The Muslims retreated to Spain, and Europe developed as an
independent civilization.

Orleans, May 1429: Joan of Arc: is she the most insanely cool military
commander in history or what? This French peasant girl gets
instructions from her favorite saints to help out the French against
the English invaders. She goes to the King (well, the Dauphin, but
close enough) and tells him to give her the army and she'll take it
from there. And somehow she convinces him. She takes the army, which
has lost every battle it's been in lately, to Orleans, which is under
English siege. Now Joan is a nice girl, so she tries to settle things
peaceably. She explains in a letter to the enemy commanders that
everything can still be cool, ".provided you give up France.and go
back to your own countries, for God's sake. And if you do not, wait
for the Maid, who will visit you briefly to your great sorrow." The
next day she put on armor, mounted a charger, and prepared to lead the
attack on the besiegers' fortifications. She ordered the gates opened,
but the Mayor refused until Joan explained that she, personally, would
cut off his head. The gates went up, the French sallied out, and Joan
led the first successful attack they'd made in years. The English
strongpoints were taken, the siege was broken, and Joan's career in
the cow-milking trade was over.

Braddock's Defeat (aka Battle of Monongahela) July 1755: Next time
you're driving through the Ohio Valley, remember you're passing near
the site of a great French victory over an Anglo-American force twice
its size. General Edward Braddock marched west from Virginia with
1,500 men-a very large army in 18th-c. America. His orders were to
seize French land and forts in the Valley-your basic undeclared
land-grab invasion. The French joined the local tribes to resist, and
then set up a classic ambush. It was a slaughter. More than half of
Braddock's force-880 men-were killed or wounded. The only Anglo
officer to escape unhurt was this guy called George Washington, and
even he had two horses shot out from under him. After a few minutes of
non-stop fire from French and Indians hidden in the woods, Braddock's
command came apart like something out of Nam, post-Tet. Braddock was
hit and wounded, but none of his troops would risk getting shot to
rescue him.

Austerlitz, Dec. 1805: You always hear about Austerlitz as "Napoleon's
Greatest Victory," like the little guy personally went out and wiped
out the combined Russian and Austrian armies. The fact is, ever since
the Revolution in 1789, French armies had been kicking ass against
everybody. They were free citizens fighting against scared peasant and
degenerate mercenaries, and it was no contest. At Austerlitz, 65,000
French troops took on 90,000 Russians and Austrians and destroyed
them. Absolutely annihilated them. The French lost only 8,000,
compared to 29,000 of the enemy. The tactics Bonaparte used were very
risky, and would only have worked with superb troops: he encouraged
the enemy to attack a weak line, then brought up reinforcements who'd
been held out of sight. That kind of tactical plan takes iron
discipline and perfect timing-and the French had it.

Jena, Oct. 1806: just a quick reminder for anybody who thinks the
Germans always beat the French. Napoleon takes on the Prussian army
and destroys it. 27,000 Prussian casualties vs. 5,000 French. Prussian
army routed, pursued for miles by French cavalry.

You eXile guys might want to remember that the French under Napoleon
are still the only army ever to have taken all of continental Europe,
from Moscow to Madrid. I could keep listing French victories till I
had a book. In fact, it's not a bad idea. A nice big hardback, so you
could take it to the assholes running all the anti-French-military
sites and bash their heads in with it.

-----

ONLY THE IGNORANT DARE CALL FRENCH COWARDS
Copyright: Eric S. Margolis, 2003
May 1, 2003

VERDUN, France - Something keeps drawing me back to this most evil and
sinister battlefield on earth, a mere 18 km (10.8 miles) by 10 km (6
miles), where during ten hellish months of 1916 1.4 million French and
German soldiers were killed or gravely wounded.

Each year it is my custom to greet spring in France's exquisite
countryside, exploring battlefields and forts of the two world wars.
But this, my sixth journey to Verdun, holds particular personal
meaning.

Decades of travel, covering many wars, reading the history of man's
folly have made me a cosmopolitan who detests borders and earnestly
believes mankind's worst evils are nationalism and religious
fanaticism. Still, there are four countries that I hold particularly
dear and to whom I feel respectful (as opposed to hormonal)
patriotism, respect, and loyalty - Canada, France, Switzerland, the
United States (in alphabetical, not emotional order), and reserve a
special place for Pakistan.

Quixotic as it may sound, while at Verdun, I apologized as a US Army
veteran to France's fallen soldiers for the slander and disgraceful
lies hurled at their memory by American know-nothings and pro- Israel
neo-con pundits who poured venom on the French for not agreeing to
President George Bush's imperial oil war against Iraq.

`Defeat monkeys'..`surrender specialists'...`never won a war'.`always
saved by Americans'.`in war, like an accordion, useless and noisy..'
`cowards' .were hurled at France by American commentators. The
internet filled with anti-French jokes and lists of French military
defeats.

I invite all those flag waving, fire-breathing American couch patriots
who called French cowards to visit Verdun. The air here still stinks
of death; only deformed, stunted bushes grow on its poisoned soil. In
the towering gray stone Ossuary repose bone pieces of 135,000 men.

In 1916, the Germans sought a decisive battle on the strategic heights
above Verdun, where they planned to bleed France's army to death with
their massed artillery. On the first day of battle alone, French
positions were inundated by one million heavy shells. The titanic
bombardment went on for ten months, explosives against human flesh.
Trenches and dugouts were pulverized. Entire French regiments were
destroyed in hours.

The French commander, Gen. Nivelle, ordered his 2nd Army defending
Verdun: `No surrender; no retreat, not even an inch: die where you
stand.' And so they did.

On 4-5 June, the Germans poured 100,000 poison gas shells - chlorine,
phosgene, and cyanide - onto only 4 kms of French-held front - then
launched divisional assaults against the position. French soldiers had
no gasmasks. Thousands died in hideous agony, or were blinded. Yet
they somehow held.

Shells churned the battlefield into a gigantic quagmire of mud,
rotting corpses, body parts, dead horses, overhung by a toxic miasma
of chlorine and mustard gas. Troops went days without food; they drank
from shell craters filled with bodies, and often drowned in them.
German flamethrowers inflicted frightful casualties. Shells rained
down round the clock. Every tiny elevation, every fort, became a
little Thermopylae.

At the height of the German attack on Fort Vaux, over 2,000 heavy
shells an hour, some 405mm 1,000 kg monsters, were exploding each on
its roof and glacis. When we today talk about soldier's combat stress,
think of the heroic garrison of Vaux, burned, gassed, poisoned by
toxic smoke, dying of thirst, fearing they would be buried alive at
any moment, yet fighting on. The French lost 100,000 casualties trying
to retake another fort, Douaumont.

Three-quarters of the French Army, an and entire generation of
France's men, passed through the inferno of Verdun. Units stayed in
line until they had lost 60% casualties. Every town and village in
France bears a war memorial with names of its sons fallen at Verdun.
The heights above the Meuse River became France's Calvary; `They shall
not pass' the army's and nation's credo.

The attacking Germans fought, as always, like lions, losing 400,000
dead. They almost broke through, but were finally held at the last
line of French defenses, at fearsome sacrifice. French soldiers fought
like tigers, with their legendary fury and élan: over 430,000 died at
Verdun; 800,000 were gassed or crippled for life. Bones are still
unearthed here today, 87 years later; French metro's and busses only
recently ended reserved seating for `mutilated war veterans.' After
the war, there were not enough young Frenchmen to farm the fields or
produce children.

In the end, the French held Verdun. In this battle alone, France lost
almost 1.5 times total US losses in all of World War II, and 20% of
its nearly 2 million dead from 1914-1918.

To the northwest of here is Sedan. In May, 1940, the racing German XIX
Panzer Corps negotiated the dense Ardennes Forest and fought across
the Meuse, dividing, then shattering the French Army. Italy attacked
in the south.

The French did not simply surrender, as some Americans claim. Their
army fought valiantly, but was overwhelmed and torn apart by German's
high-tech military machine, just as Iraq's outdated forces were
recently obliterated by high-tech US forces.

The French government wanted to fight on from Brittany, but there were
no army divisions left intact. France lost 210,000 dead in 1940
fighting Germany and Italy; America lost 292,000 men during the entire
war. Let's keep the historical record accurate.

-------

BM

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm
Skysurfer wrote in message
. 0.138...
tscottme wrote :

The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like
"I Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military
history, supposedly proving how the French are total cowards. If
you want to see a sample of this dumbass Frog bashing, try this:

How many times are you going to post this.

It was posted by me only once.

tscottme wrote :


How many times are you going to post this.

It was posted by me only once.

Here's the exact same posting about one week ago. Perhaps you two
should get married.

You said "How many times are *you* going to post this".
As I said it was posted only once by *me*.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:57:25 +0200, Skysurfer wrote:

tscottme wrote :


How many times are you going to post this.

It was posted by me only once.

Here's the exact same posting about one week ago. Perhaps you two
should get married.

You said "How many times are *you* going to post this".
As I said it was posted only once by *me*.

Well, it is still a collection of lies, half-truths and propaganda.

Al Minyard

French Military History in a Nutshell

Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years
of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic
who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's
armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."

Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country ever to
lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

Thirty Years' War: France is technically not a participant, but manages
to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the
other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution: Tied; Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as
chapeaux.

The Dutch War: Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War:
Lost, but claimed as a tie. Deluded Frogophiles the world over label the
period as the height of French Military Power.

War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their
first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

American Revolution: In a move that will become quite familiar to future
Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far
more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to
the Second Rule of French Warfa "France only wins when America does
most of the fighting".

French Revolution: Won, primarily due to the fact that the opponent was
also French.

The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for
a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk
Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

WWI: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United
States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like not only to
sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly,
widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement
in the French bloodline.

WWII: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain
just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with
Dien Bien Flu.

Algerian Rebellion: Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a Western army
by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First
Rule of Muslim Warfare -"We can always beat the French." This rule is
identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans,
English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Eskimos.

War on Terrorism: France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders
to Germans and Muslims just to be safe.


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Scott
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"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Subject: About French cowards.
From: "tscottme"
Date: 10/11/03 5:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm



Ann Coulter is getting rich writing books that divide America one group
against the other. Is there any worse kind of traitor than that.?

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote in message
...
Subject: About French cowards.
From: "tscottme"
Date: 10/11/03 5:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm



Ann Coulter is getting rich writing books that divide America one
group
against the other. Is there any worse kind of traitor than that.?


Yes, Democrats. They've been dividing white from black, poor and rich,
patriotic and liberal for decades.

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Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Subject: About French cowards.
From: "tscottme"
Date: 10/11/03 6:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote in message
...
Subject: About French cowards.
From: "tscottme"
Date: 10/11/03 5:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm



Ann Coulter is getting rich writing books that divide America one
group
against the other. Is there any worse kind of traitor than that.?


Yes, Democrats. They've been dividing white from black, poor and rich,
patriotic and liberal for decades.

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

But never haven ever written hate books like far right hate monger Coulter


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer