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...That's one heck of a lucky coincidence. By any chance, did your a&p
acquire the part after you visited him about the oil problem or an annual? (Not that I'm a conspiracist, or anything...) Most people in aviation are true gems, but one does run into questionable characters from time to time. I just asked him, and it turned out that it belonged to a customer (who owned a Skybolt) who had sent his oil cooler out for refurb after he replaced his. When it came back, he made the deal with my A&P that he could sell it and make a little profit on it, someday. "Someday" arrived yesterday! :-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:29:08 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: Did he feel like flying for free today? Not that I wouldn't have done something similar in your predicament, but do you think it's wise to invite your friend to violate FAR, and then publish on a public forum what a FSDO inspector might construe as a violation of FAR? Since when is it a violation of FAR to come pick up a stranded friend? Since the FAA interpreted the FAR that way. It is my understanding, that the pilot needs to have been planning on making the trip, and invite his passengers to share the expense. It would appear that Jay offered to foot the ENTIRE COST if the flight HE invited his friend to make, and then posted it publicly. Or deliver a needed part for a friend? If the flight is at the bidding of another, it mandates part 135 operation, I believe. For that matter, how do you even know whether the pilot is a private pilot or not? Granted, that is a presumption. However, if it wasn't a part 135 charter flight, nothing is changed. And if he is or isn't, what difference does that make? If it makes no difference, why do you ask the question? What makes you think the FAA gives a rat's ass what anybody posts here? Oh, I would hazard a guess, that some segment of the readership of this newsgroup is employed by the FAA, given the assumption that only about 10% of the readership actually posts articles. Given the fact, that prospective employers now routinely search the Internet for information about prospective employees before hiring them, it seems reasonable to assume that something similar might occur in this instance. Given the facts provided, it shouldn't be too difficult to deduce Doug's identity. So it is now possible that the FAA may become aware of the possible FAR violation. Hopefully, the FSDO inspector won't be of the ilk of those overzealous individuals involved in the Bob Hoover emergency revocation incident. At any rate, there is the information, now permanently a part of the publicly accessible newsgroup archive. I know I would prefer not to have had Jay publicly disclose my participation in such a ferrying operation, and I presume Doug would be similarly inclined. But hey, what are friends for? :-) |
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It is my understanding,
that the pilot needs to have been planning on making the trip, and invite his passengers to share the expense. It is my further understanding that there has to be a "unity of purpose". You both have to have the same reason for going to the destination. It can't be one wants to go to a museum in Boston, and the pilot just wants to see fall colors from the air and doesn't care where he flies. Jose -- "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On 6 Oct 2006 08:34:01 -0500, T o d d P a t t i s t
wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: do you think it's wise to invite your friend to violate FAR, and then publish on a public forum what a FSDO inspector might construe as a violation of FAR? My first thought when reading the excellent story was that I was soon going to read an FAR/private pilot compensation post referencing § 61.113. (Triggered by this sentence: "Did he feel like flying for free today?") My second thought was that I hoped no one would make that comment. Why? Would you prefer that Mr. Honeck remain ignorant of the regulations? What's the point of having a rating if you can't help out a friend in distress? I agree, but I'm just the messenger. My third was that this rule is still stupid and reminders of the stupidity are probably needed. Ah, we do agree after all. A PP is not endangering anyone if he carries property, and he ought to at least be able to carry such property for friends and family if he's not holding himself out to do that job and he isn't receiving compensation other than time and reimbursement. That sounds reasonable to me, as long as he isn't compensated. I don't suppose we'll ever get this rule changed, but I still dislike it. It is my understanding, that all it takes to begin a rule change is a letter to the FAA. Perhaps the AOPA might take up the cause. Or perhaps we newsgroup participants could draft a more reasonably worded regulation, and submit it to the FAA. |
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On 6 Oct 2006 05:49:57 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in . com: Not that I wouldn't have done something similar in your predicament, but do you think it's wise to invite your friend to violate FAR, and then publish on a public forum what a FSDO inspector might construe as a violation of FAR? I guess I didn't make it clear, but that part about "there's not enough beer in the world to pay Doug back for what he did for us today" meant that he refused to accept gas money for his flight. Which FAR will I be violating by buying him beers for the next year? More significantly, he is one of our few friends who actually *prefer* light "beer", which means that we will be operating in violation of the German Purity Laws of 1516 -- an act punishable by death in some circles. See http://www.brewingmuseum.org/purity_law.htm for details. :-) You obviously don't even understand the issue. |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:03:31 GMT, Jose
wrote in : It is my understanding, that the pilot needs to have been planning on making the trip, and invite his passengers to share the expense. It is my further understanding that there has to be a "unity of purpose". You both have to have the same reason for going to the destination. It can't be one wants to go to a museum in Boston, and the pilot just wants to see fall colors from the air and doesn't care where he flies. Jose Right. I wish I could find the link to that interpretation. Then Mr. Honeck might begin to understand the issue. |
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It is my understanding, that all it takes to begin a rule change is a
letter to the FAA. My fear is that once the wheels are rolling, others in the FAA will use it as an opportunity to tighten the noose even further. The rule was once much looser. The pilot could accept reimbursement up to the total cost of the flight (but no more than that) there was no "holding out" rule (so one could post a message on the college dorm bulletin board), there was no "unity of purpose" rule, so the pilot could take somebody to a destination he didn't care about, just for the sheer fun of flying and sharing that joy... Somehow that all was changed to the present abomination. IT would be useful to know why. Jose -- "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Did you bring the old one back? If fixable, a spare never hurts... -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:44:54 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote: In article , Larry Dighera wrote: On 5 Oct 2006 19:30:40 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote in .com: Did he feel like flying for free today? Not that I wouldn't have done something similar in your predicament, but do you think it's wise to invite your friend to violate FAR, and then publish on a public forum what a FSDO inspector might construe as a violation of FAR? What we don't know is whether or not any money exchanged hands or bartering occurred. Which AFAIK doesn't matter any more. The way I understand it, logging time is also considered compensation, so if the friend logged the flight it's for compensation or hire and is a violation. Plus there's no common cause here - the flight wouldn't have taken place without his request to be rescued. The way it was explained to me is that as long as there was no money/barter/beer and the other pilot didn't log the flight, it's cool. |
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In article ,
Jose wrote: Since when is it a violation of FAR to come pick up a stranded friend? Or deliver a needed part for a friend? Ever since they came up with the stupid "pro-rata" rule, and the "interpretation" (which I consider erzats rulemaking) that "holding out" equals "commercial" (i.e. telling your college dorm you're open to flying people) and "logging time" is "compensation. who has been "convicted" of this? -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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