Cessna Anticipates AvGas Demise

CESSNA TO OFFER DIESEL SKYHAWK
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196294)
Cessna will offer the 172S Skyhawk with a Thielert turbo diesel engine
with deliveries to start in mid-2008. In an announcement at AOPA Expo
in Hartford, Conn., Cessna officials said the decision to offer the
diesel came after extensive market surveys and flight testing. "The
Skyhawk is already the best-selling, most-flown airplane ever with
more than 43,000 delivered and this option further expands the market
due to the worldwide availability of Jet A fuel," said John Doman,
Cessna vice president of propeller aircraft sales. Cessna will install
the engines at its Independence, Kan., factory under the supplementary
type certificate already held by Thielert.

Larry Dighera wrote:
CESSNA TO OFFER DIESEL SKYHAWK
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196294)
Cessna will offer the 172S Skyhawk with a Thielert turbo diesel engine
with deliveries to start in mid-2008. In an announcement at AOPA Expo
in Hartford, Conn., Cessna officials said the decision to offer the
diesel came after extensive market surveys and flight testing. "The
Skyhawk is already the best-selling, most-flown airplane ever with
more than 43,000 delivered and this option further expands the market
due to the worldwide availability of Jet A fuel," said John Doman,
Cessna vice president of propeller aircraft sales. Cessna will install
the engines at its Independence, Kan., factory under the supplementary
type certificate already held by Thielert.

Am I missing something? Where in that story does Cessna anticipate the
demise of AvGas? One would think if they really did anticipate the demise of
AvGas they would start producing ONLY diesel powered 172s.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
CESSNA TO OFFER DIESEL SKYHAWK
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196294)
Cessna will offer the 172S Skyhawk with a Thielert turbo diesel
engine with deliveries to start in mid-2008. In an announcement at
AOPA Expo in Hartford, Conn., Cessna officials said the decision to
offer the diesel came after extensive market surveys and flight
testing. "The Skyhawk is already the best-selling, most-flown
airplane ever with more than 43,000 delivered and this option further
expands the market due to the worldwide availability of Jet A fuel,"
said John Doman, Cessna vice president of propeller aircraft sales.
Cessna will install the engines at its Independence, Kan., factory
under the supplementary type certificate already held by Thielert.

Am I missing something? Where in that story does Cessna anticipate the
demise of AvGas?


They'd have to be pretty stupid not to anticipate it.
There were, after all, only a certain number of dinosaurs.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:
Am I missing something? Where in that story does Cessna anticipate
the demise of AvGas?


They'd have to be pretty stupid not to anticipate it.
There were, after all, only a certain number of dinosaurs.


Oh you bunyip you, does Jet-A derive from some other extinct creature?

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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:
Am I missing something? Where in that story does Cessna anticipate
the demise of AvGas?


They'd have to be pretty stupid not to anticipate it.
There were, after all, only a certain number of dinosaurs.


Oh you bunyip you, does Jet-A derive from some other extinct creature?

Turbo-dinosaurs.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:
Am I missing something? Where in that story does Cessna anticipate
the demise of AvGas?


They'd have to be pretty stupid not to anticipate it.
There were, after all, only a certain number of dinosaurs.


Oh you bunyip you, does Jet-A derive from some other extinct creature?




I'm not extinct yet!

Bertie

Cessna will offer the 172S Skyhawk with a Thielert turbo diesel engine

I'd rather say that Cessna is anticipating the difficulty to explain why
they still sell engines with 50 year old technology, once the pilots
start to recognize that there are modern engines around which burn less
than half the fuel.

Stefan wrote:
Cessna will offer the 172S Skyhawk with a Thielert turbo diesel
engine

I'd rather say that Cessna is anticipating the difficulty to explain
why they still sell engines with 50 year old technology, once the
pilots start to recognize that there are modern engines around which
burn less than half the fuel.

Are you saying the Thielert turbo diesel burns half the fuel? Wow!!!

On Oct 5, 10:42 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Cessna will offer the 172S Skyhawk with a Thielert turbo diesel
engine

I'd rather say that Cessna is anticipating the difficulty to explain
why they still sell engines with 50 year old technology, once the
pilots start to recognize that there are modern engines around which
burn less than half the fuel.

Are you saying the Thielert turbo diesel burns half the fuel? Wow!!!

A bit more than half. The 135 hp Centurion burns around 4
GPH in cruise. And that's Jet-A, which costs considerably less than
100LL.
The avgas supplies threaten to dry up because the
refineries don't want to bother with it. Avgas constitutes something
like 1% or less of the gasoline market, and carries hundreds of times
the liability. Would you bother with it under those conditions?

Dan

wrote:
On Oct 5, 10:42 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Cessna will offer the 172S Skyhawk with a Thielert turbo diesel
engine

I'd rather say that Cessna is anticipating the difficulty to explain
why they still sell engines with 50 year old technology, once the
pilots start to recognize that there are modern engines around which
burn less than half the fuel.

Are you saying the Thielert turbo diesel burns half the fuel? Wow!!!

A bit more than half. The 135 hp Centurion burns around 4
GPH in cruise. And that's Jet-A, which costs considerably less than
100LL.
The avgas supplies threaten to dry up because the
refineries don't want to bother with it. Avgas constitutes something
like 1% or less of the gasoline market, and carries hundreds of times
the liability. Would you bother with it under those conditions?

Dan


Apples and oranges Dan, the engine that is going in the new Skyhawk is a
turbocharged 155HP. What does it burn?