For those still insisting that France has always been our friend...

buf3 wrote:

Go buy Al Franken's bestseller titled "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
Tell Them, A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" and you can count
them yourself.

Are you familiar with Al Franken's politics?

He can write a book on "Lies and Lying Liars...", but a "Fair and
Balanced Look at the Right" is simply beyond his capabilities.

You need to read BOTH Franken AND O'Reilly. "Fair and balanced"
will most likely lay somewhere in between.


SMH

Subject: France is Not a Western Country Anymore
From: (The Enlightenment)
Date: 10/26/03 9:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Find one "lie" that Ann Coulter has told. I challenge you. Put up or
shutup.

Every time that Coulter calls someone a traitor wih no proof whatever she tells
a lie. She has told thousands so far accusing everyone on sight of being a
taritor. She has one product to sell, hate. And therefore she is the greatest
traitor to American ideals of all.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: France is Not a Western Country Anymore
From: (Scott MacEachern)
Date: 10/27/03 6:52 AM

When you have a bunch of
conservative critics, trashing the book, that oughta tell you
something.

And that was about 5 minutes of looking. She's a lousy writer,
pandering to credulous nitwits.

Scott

And that is putting it mildly.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: bernxard@yah

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a poster from
France can explain the situation.
Hispanics in the US are integrating at a fairly rapid pace, some much faster
than others (the term covering so many national origins). A couple of
examples: More than half of all Hispanics are in white collar jobs (up from 35%
in 1980). English reading scores, out of a possible 500, the Hispanic
immigrant in the US less than 5 years scores 156. Hispanic immigrant in
country more than 10 years, 270. National average for all Americans, 282.
There are tons of these data for Hispanic and other immigrants to the US, all
showing rapid assimilation.
There is also some recent data indicating that the influx of Hispanics into the
US may have already passed its peak, or will do so shortly. And PBS
commentator Richard Rodriguez has announced that George W. Bush is our first
"Hispanic" president.


Chris Mark

On 27 Oct 2003 16:54:25 GMT, ost (Chris Mark) wrote:

From: bernxard@yah

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a poster from
France can explain the situation.
Hispanics in the US are integrating at a fairly rapid pace, some much faster
than others (the term covering so many national origins). A couple of
examples: More than half of all Hispanics are in white collar jobs (up from 35%
in 1980). English reading scores, out of a possible 500, the Hispanic
immigrant in the US less than 5 years scores 156. Hispanic immigrant in
country more than 10 years, 270. National average for all Americans, 282.
There are tons of these data for Hispanic and other immigrants to the US, all
showing rapid assimilation.
There is also some recent data indicating that the influx of Hispanics into the
US may have already passed its peak, or will do so shortly. And PBS
commentator Richard Rodriguez has announced that George W. Bush is our first
"Hispanic" president.

Umm, that explains only that Hispanics in America are integrating.

Where was the comment or anything on French Muslims in there?

Chris Mark wrote :

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's
Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a
poster from France can explain the situation.

Not bad compared to English ones calling for jihad and more 09/11 in
Finsburry Park Mosque ...

"tscottme" a écrit dans le message de
...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=6976


Still as ridiculous as it was when I read it earlier this spring... It's no
better than the usual anti-American stuff (of wich one could find dozen of
links and yet prove nothing...). Indeed jerks have been very productive
this year...

Now, if you actually believe what this article says (given your sig, it
might be the case), then my friend you have a big problem with reality
perception... Sentences such as "[French politicians, all of them,] regard
Western civilization as something filthy and abhorrent" or "[France] is now
the leader of the Arab/Muslim world" are nothing but ludicrous... When I
read that piece a few months ago, I didn't know that "Guy" and made some
search about him. If you could read French and see the other articles he has
written, you'd see how unsound his ideas are. Ann Coulter you seem to
appreciate (so do I but obviously not for her ideas...) sounds like Jane
Fonda compared to him... :-)

Strange BTW to see how you can't stand an article showing that despite the
clash between our respective administrations there is still cooperation
between our countries (and not only on military matters as a matter of
fact), and therefore how you feel compelled to reply with crap to attenuate
this idea...

ArVa

"The Enlightenment" a écrit dans le message de
om...

snip

And you call yourself "Enlightment"?... Ironic... I especially like your
"what is REALLY going on" part...

Ironically it was Jean Marie Le Penn who could have snip

Nice reference... I don't know if you have a field of expertise but it's
obviously not French politics... Do you know that Le Pen (with one "N") was
the *only* French politician who did support SH (he actually met him in 96)?
This man is a convicted racist and he and his kind are among the *worst*
things Europe has ever produced. Sorry to see it's been exported as far as
Australia (?)...
The extreme right in Europe has a long record of hatred towards the United
States and generally speaking against Liberals of any kind, one of their
motto being "neither trust nor soviet".

I have no doubt there are extremist muslims in France, like in every Western
country, but if you really want to find dangerous people expressing their
hatred in daylight I suggest you leave Paris and just cross the Channel.
Ever heard of "Londonistan"? Ever heard of "Bin London"? Ever heard of the
press conference that was held a few weeks ago withn dozens of journalists
to honor the "martyrdom" of the 9/11 terrorists? Ever heard of the Finsburry
Park mosque?...

ArVa

While there may be some good points about the current ethnic makeup of
the population of France, I think the real reason France does what is
does...is because it's French!

France is just France, it always has been. France has not been exactly
what I'd call a "Western Nation" since post World War II, but their
problem is where they beleive they should be on the world stage...and
in Iraq's business.

They hate the British because the French think they are bourgeois and
stupid (as they think about the U.S.), and the Brits lately have sided
with US World Politics...the French do not like having to listen to
the British/U.S. rhetoric. They hate the Germans because,
well...that's fairly obvious...but they are now the "strange
bedfellows." But both countries have a lot of debt tied up in Iraq,
and their own economies could continue to use the trade boost they
would have if THEY were the preemminent powers dealing with Iraq.

The French want to be in the arena of World Politics on their own
terms, and they do not want to be out of the limelight...it also
doesn't hurt that an incursion into Iraq would distrub the trade they
have established with that country, and the possibility of having the
debt Iraq has with France being repaid...and maybe they sold some
things to Iraq that a lot of folks might not be too pleased about.

Everyone wants in on Iraq's recovery because it's economy is based on
oil which can always produce fast hard currency; but, no one wants the
mess that goes with it. So here we are.

Bottomline: The Coalition invaded, removed Saddam from power, and now
we have a industrialized country with a ravaged infrastructure wrought
not just by the two wars but by years and years of sanctions and gross
mismanagement by Saddam and his cronies. Now who will help the Iraqis
to help themselves out of the hole they are currently in? Who can
afford to help them? Can we afford not to help them?

Simple answer really. It just has to be done, the UN and the EU should
chip in and do their part but the bulk of the aid and assistance will
have to come from the U.S. as usual. Now we could back off a bit on
our rhetoric about the U.S. running the entire show 'casue you get
more bees with honey than with vinegar, yes? So if all involved would
back off their extreme positions just a bit maybe the Iraqi people
might not suffer so much more, and maybe they'd lead us to even more
of these cowards who are running around blowing up cars...although I
think soon the Iraqi people will have had enough of that crap anyway.
The thing is...who will they really blame for the bombings? Us or the
terrorists?

Time will tell.

DJ

In message ,
Skysurfer writes
Chris Mark wrote :
How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a
poster from France can explain the situation.

Not bad compared to English ones calling for jihad and more 09/11 in
Finsburry Park Mosque ...

One of the jihadi organisations staged a "mass protest" in Trafalgar
Square.

They got about a dozen protesters. Who were outnumbered both by the
British National Party uglies (home-grown racist party) who came in the
hope of a fight, and the police keeping the factions apart and
dissuading any incidents.

Something to bear in mind when they claim enormous levels of support...


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