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Stupid Attorney taling about GPS's
I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the moronic comment of: ------------- Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to within a few feet. "If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said. -------------- I don't know if they are approved for auto-landing but I'm fairly certain it can get me a few hundred feet AGL on the exact glideslope of an airport 8000 miles away. I'd generally consider that accurate enough. grin My handheld GPS-V for my car has lead me to within a few feet of the front *main* door of places in Amsterdam, Rome, New York and San Francisco. I'd generally consider that accurate. Gerald |
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Yea.. I caught that in the news too... Either the attorney is stupid, or
he is intentionally lying to try and save poor Scotty's ass.. Maybe the prosecution should subpoena an FAA representative to refute those claims. Of COURSE they mouthpiece is comparing apples to oranges. Cars use GPS primarily for horizontal guidance. They are quite accurate in that regard when they get a good signal. What is it.. within 10 feet now with SA turned off for the past few years?? Airplanes get the same great horizonal guidance, and GPS has been used for YEARS and approved in an enroute, terminal and approach environment. The only thing keeping GPS from being used to "land airplanes" is the vertical guidance component. 200 Feet astray from an airway centerline is no biggie. 200 feet low on a precision approach to minimums is likely worth a paragraph or two in the obituary section. I guess thats why all the big fuss about WAAS, LAAS, RAIM and other cool terms like that. I havent seen a single car crash proven to be caused by the GPS showing the wrong altitude. grin Likewise, just cause GPS isnt able to give precision approach quality vertical guidance to the whole of aviation just yet doesnt mean its not accurate enough to show what 100 square foot block of land poor Scotty's car happened to be in... or how many times he parked near or drove by where they found his wife and kids body.. Poor Scott didnt even know the cops had planted covert GPS recievers on each of his 4 vehicles when he did all this. The next crop of cell phones will be able to help you be tracked pretty closely too. The ability was legislated so enhanced 911 systems could locate a caller. The same ability can be used to locate a suspect. The moral? If you are gonna do something bad, turn off your cell phone for a while Good call on the judge allowing the evidence. Wow.. big rant this time. Dave Gerald Sylvester wrote: I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the moronic comment of: ------------- Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to within a few feet. "If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said. -------------- I don't know if they are approved for auto-landing but I'm fairly certain it can get me a few hundred feet AGL on the exact glideslope of an airport 8000 miles away. I'd generally consider that accurate enough. grin My handheld GPS-V for my car has lead me to within a few feet of the front *main* door of places in Amsterdam, Rome, New York and San Francisco. I'd generally consider that accurate. Gerald |
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"Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message ink.net... I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the moronic comment of: ------------- Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to within a few feet. "If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said. -------------- I don't know if they are approved for auto-landing but I'm fairly certain it can get me a few hundred feet AGL on the exact glideslope of an airport 8000 miles away. I'd generally consider that accurate enough. grin My handheld GPS-V for my car has lead me to within a few feet of the front *main* door of places in Amsterdam, Rome, New York and San Francisco. I'd generally consider that accurate. Unaugmented GPS is accurate to within 7.2 meters longitudinally. |
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"Dave S" wrote in message news Yea.. I caught that in the news too... Either the attorney is stupid, or he is intentionally lying to try and save poor Scotty's ass.. Maybe the prosecution should subpoena an FAA representative to refute those claims. All the prosecution needs is a Professional Land Surveyor, as registered by the State of California. At that point Scott's Attorney would be well on his way to giving testimony illegally. Of COURSE they mouthpiece is comparing apples to oranges. Cars use GPS primarily for horizontal guidance. They are quite accurate in that regard when they get a good signal. What is it.. within 10 feet now with SA turned off for the past few years?? Airplanes get the same great horizonal guidance, and GPS has been used for YEARS and approved in an enroute, terminal and approach environment. The only thing keeping GPS from being used to "land airplanes" is the vertical guidance component. 200 Feet astray from an airway centerline is no biggie. 200 feet low on a precision approach to minimums is likely worth a paragraph or two in the obituary section. I guess thats why all the big fuss about WAAS, LAAS, RAIM and other cool terms like that. I havent seen a single car crash proven to be caused by the GPS showing the wrong altitude. grin Likewise, just cause GPS isnt able to give precision approach quality vertical guidance to the whole of aviation just yet doesnt mean its not accurate enough to show what 100 square foot block of land poor Scotty's car happened to be in... or how many times he parked near or drove by where they found his wife and kids body.. Poor Scott didnt even know the cops had planted covert GPS recievers on each of his 4 vehicles when he did all this. The next crop of cell phones will be able to help you be tracked pretty closely too. The ability was legislated so enhanced 911 systems could locate a caller. The same ability can be used to locate a suspect. The moral? If you are gonna do something bad, turn off your cell phone for a while Good call on the judge allowing the evidence. Wow.. big rant this time. Dave Gerald Sylvester wrote: I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the moronic comment of: ------------- Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to within a few feet. "If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said. -------------- I don't know if they are approved for auto-landing but I'm fairly certain it can get me a few hundred feet AGL on the exact glideslope of an airport 8000 miles away. I'd generally consider that accurate enough. grin My handheld GPS-V for my car has lead me to within a few feet of the front *main* door of places in Amsterdam, Rome, New York and San Francisco. I'd generally consider that accurate. Gerald |
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Tarver Engineering wrote: All the prosecution needs is a Professional Land Surveyor, as registered by the State of California. At that point Scott's Attorney would be well on his way to giving testimony illegally. 1. Attorneys do not "give testimony". 2. There's no law against attorneys making false statements. They aren't under oath. George Patterson A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you look forward to the trip. |
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Uhhhh, guys?
The GPS was placed on Scott's car by the police; it wasn't a factory install. The argument was that the antenna wasn't properly located and the evidence flawed. But the judge just said the prosecution could use the GPS evidence... "Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message ink.net... I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the moronic comment of: ------------- Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to within a few feet. "If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said. -------------- I don't know if they are approved for auto-landing but I'm fairly certain it can get me a few hundred feet AGL on the exact glideslope of an airport 8000 miles away. I'd generally consider that accurate enough. grin My handheld GPS-V for my car has lead me to within a few feet of the front *main* door of places in Amsterdam, Rome, New York and San Francisco. I'd generally consider that accurate. Gerald |
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Dave S wrote: Good call on the judge allowing the evidence. What evidence? Gerald's post simply stated that an attorney made an obviously incorrect statement. What did I miss? George Patterson A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you look forward to the trip. |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... 2. There's no law against attorneys making false statements. If there was, courtrooms would become awfully quiet all over the country. |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:52:39 GMT Gerald Sylvester wrote:
I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the moronic comment of: ------------- Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to within a few feet. "If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said. The technique is known as "casting a shadow of doubt". It works wonderfully well. Jurors eat it up. He's doing his job. R. Hubbell -------------- I don't know if they are approved for auto-landing but I'm fairly certain it can get me a few hundred feet AGL on the exact glideslope of an airport 8000 miles away. I'd generally consider that accurate enough. grin My handheld GPS-V for my car has lead me to within a few feet of the front *main* door of places in Amsterdam, Rome, New York and San Francisco. I'd generally consider that accurate. Gerald |
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How did the GPS units installed in Scott Peterson's car transmit the
location information back to the police? Some kind of continuous real-time transmitting capability? (Is this built into the GPS system itself?) Or did they have to surreptitiously recover the units from time to time and downloaded data stored in memory? (And if so, are such units available to the general public?) |
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