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And having flown both, I can say they were pretty unimpressive
machines. BTW Jon, you must have a fair amount of faith in French engineering to fly your ASW20f at 130kts 6inches above an undulating field while waving at the club safety officer! ;-} Rob PS I've forgotten, was that YOUR Peugeot that mated with a tree at the end of the field at NYM? At 17:54 06 February 2004, Jon Meyer wrote: Sorry my mistake, got confused by the fact that the Alliance 34 is made by Pegase (a copy of the SF34). I know all about the quality of french construction though, I fly an ASW20F and drive a Peugeot......neither is as well made as their german equivalents :-) |
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Jon Meyer wrote:
Sorry my mistake, got confused by the fact that the Alliance 34 is made by Pegase (a copy of the SF34). I know all about the quality of french construction though, I fly an ASW20F and drive a Peugeot......neither is as well made as their german equivalents :-) For the ASW20F i cannot comment, i have seen some which were in apparent good state. Anyways, at the time Centrair had little experience of building gliders, and the ASW20 were built under German license. After that they did the Pegase, which is, in my opinion, a great success. The wings were designed by the French office Onera, and this is a glider which has basically the same performances as the German LS4, is more fun or less fun than the LS4 according to personal taste, but was surely much cheaper. As far as cars are concerned, Peugeot cannot be compared fairly with Mercedes and BMW which are in a completly different category for a lot of reasons. First and foremost, prices are in a completly different range, second these German cars are propulsions while Peugeot are tractions, meaning that they don't address the same problems. The aim of Peugeot is to produce cars that people can afford (with European salaries), are comfortable and secure (good secure dynamical qualities). With some bad faith i could say exactly the opposite of the above German ones. Now compare Peugeot cars with VWs or Opel cars, which are in the same category, and deciding the best is very debatable. To say the truth, all the European constructors buy parts in the same pool (Bosch being a well known example), use same technics, etc. Frequently the so called German car or French car is built in Spain or whatever. What is obviously true is that German firms do considerably better research and work in the motor department. Clearly Porsche, BMW, and Mercedes develop fantastic motors, Japan firms do the same, and French firms don't. I suppose that the strict speed limitations in France explain a lot about that, but this is sad nonetheless. -- Michel Talon |
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Shawn Curry wrote:
Shawn P.S. Those bad wings came out of a Czech factory. They were engineered in Germany, not made there. IIRC the Pegase and ASW-20F were german designs as well. Not the Pegase. -- Michel Talon |
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Don't know if it's the French per se. Maybe it's just socialism. I
remember the Peugot 404 my parents bought in 1965 or so. That car was indestructible. Ran for 12 years without a single repair, other than replacing parts of the muffler system that rusted out. The 504 they bought in the late 70s couldn't get out if its own way - engine rebuild after 10,000 miles, electrics that would randomly short out, etc. Flame shields set to max :-)) "Jon Meyer" wrote in message ... Sorry my mistake, got confused by the fact that the Alliance 34 is made by Pegase (a copy of the SF34). I know all about the quality of french construction though, I fly an ASW20F and drive a Peugeot......neither is as well made as their german equivalents :-) |
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Well, the airfoil of the Pégase is French, the rest is a copy of German
design... -- Bert Willing ASW20 "TW" a écrit dans le message de ... Shawn Curry wrote: Shawn P.S. Those bad wings came out of a Czech factory. They were engineered in Germany, not made there. IIRC the Pegase and ASW-20F were german designs as well. Not the Pegase. -- Michel Talon |
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I have often wondered whether the Pegase airfoil is an entirely different
design to the ASW20, or whether it is basically a fixed flap version of the ASW20 wing. I understand that the LS8 wing is a fixed flap version of the LS6 wing, and the LS8 does seem to work rather well. W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. "Bert Willing" wrote in message ... Well, the airfoil of the Pégase is French, the rest is a copy of German design... Bert Willing |
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Bert Willing wrote:
Well, the airfoil of the Pégase is French, the rest is a copy of German design... Of course, the rest is not "unrelated" to the ASW20 that Centrair used to build under German licence :-) But i maintain that the design of the wing is extremely important for a glider, and that in the case of the Pegase, this design was original, and a great success. Until appearance of the Discus and its quite novel wing, the Pegase was in par with other similar gliders. If you want me to say that the different German firms have produced the most beautiful and fine gliders of our epoch, this is obviously true. They have failed however to keep the prices reasonable, and this is, in my opinion an extremely grave failure, which is killing the sport. -- Michel TALON |
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