U-234 mention in the paper

"Gordon" wrote in message
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Article goes on to explain how well Marienfeld was brainwashed by the
Nazis,
giving good examples of his warped outlook on the war. I thought it was
strange that even the AP knew that the U-234 was bound for Japan, the day
after
it was captured.


Hardly that strange, it surrendered to the USS Sutton on 14 May
and since the submarine had contacted the allies on 10th May when ordered
to surrender and had made known her intentions it can scarcely have been
a surprise.

As for the cargo it was carrying around 500kg of natural Uranium Oxide,
nothing like enough to build a reactor but which in the absence of tungsten
or chrome was a useful additive for hardening steel.

Keith

I there was a Me262 on board it never saw the light of day. There is
no record of it appearing anywhere in the US.

Walt

There was an Me 262 on board. The uranium may have been intended as
catalyst for the production of methanol and fuel additives from coal. It
has to be said that the Germans did have a nuclear weapons program.

When will these documents be declassified?







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From: "The Enlightenment"


He was also very critical of the shoddy and brutal treatment they received by
some elements of the US navy after surrendering to the Canadians. Also annoyed
at what they regarded as paranoia. The Germans regarded the Americans as
totally overcome by anti-nazi propaganda and demonisation of them and told them
this.

Of course, by this time word of the Nazi's extermination camps had become
widespread. Of course, this guy spent most of the war stuffed in a submarine
and probably had little real sense of the aura of outrage in the American
forces. He probably was lucky not to have been slapped around by some US Navy
guy for even opening his mouth on the subject.
Dave

Submarines must have been a lot roomier than thought after watching "Das
Boot"

Perhaps lashed to the deck??

Mark

"vzlion" wrote in message
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I there was a Me262 on board it never saw the light of day. There is
no record of it appearing anywhere in the US.

Walt

There was an Me 262 on board. The uranium may have been intended as
catalyst for the production of methanol and fuel additives from coal. It
has to be said that the Germans did have a nuclear weapons program.

When will these documents be declassified?







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I vaguely recall that the U-234 was one of those cargo-carrying subs not
designed for underwater combat, and they were somewhat larger than the rest of
the U-boat fleet.

I just checked Google and came up with this at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/map_u0234.html:



U-234
Cargo U-boat bound for Japan when war ended, surrendered to U.S.
authorities at sea carrying a total cargo of 260 tons, including uranium oxide
ore, mercury, and the component parts for an Me 262 jet fighter.

Type: X B
Built: Germaniawerft, Kiel
Keel laid: 1 October 1941
Launched: 23 December 1943
Commissioned: 2 March 1944
Commander: KL Johann-Heinrich Fehler
Fate: Surrendered to destroyer escort USS Sutton east of the Flemish Cap,
14 May 1945, after two Japanese passengers committed suicide. Other passengers
bound for Japan included several Luftwaffe officers and technical specialists
intended to improve Japanese aircraft defenses. The U.S. Navy used U-234 for
experimental trials and then sank her off Cape Cod, November 1946.

George Z.









"Mark" wrote in message
m...
Submarines must have been a lot roomier than thought after watching "Das
Boot"

Perhaps lashed to the deck??

Mark

"vzlion" wrote in message
...
I there was a Me262 on board it never saw the light of day. There is
no record of it appearing anywhere in the US.

Walt

There was an Me 262 on board. The uranium may have been intended as
catalyst for the production of methanol and fuel additives from coal. It
has to be said that the Germans did have a nuclear weapons program.

When will these documents be declassified?







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Thanks for the info....

Notice there is a DVD and books on this sub (search amazon for U-234)

Also here is info on the 'final resting place'

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-234.htm

Mark


"Gooneybird" wrote in message
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I vaguely recall that the U-234 was one of those cargo-carrying subs not
designed for underwater combat, and they were somewhat larger than the
rest of
the U-boat fleet.

I just checked Google and came up with this at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/map_u0234.html:



U-234
Cargo U-boat bound for Japan when war ended, surrendered to U.S.
authorities at sea carrying a total cargo of 260 tons, including uranium
oxide
ore, mercury, and the component parts for an Me 262 jet fighter.

Type: X B
Built: Germaniawerft, Kiel
Keel laid: 1 October 1941
Launched: 23 December 1943
Commissioned: 2 March 1944
Commander: KL Johann-Heinrich Fehler
Fate: Surrendered to destroyer escort USS Sutton east of the Flemish
Cap,
14 May 1945, after two Japanese passengers committed suicide. Other
passengers
bound for Japan included several Luftwaffe officers and technical
specialists
intended to improve Japanese aircraft defenses. The U.S. Navy used U-234
for
experimental trials and then sank her off Cape Cod, November 1946.

George Z.









"Mark" wrote in message
m...
Submarines must have been a lot roomier than thought after watching "Das
Boot"

Perhaps lashed to the deck??

Mark

"vzlion" wrote in message
...
I there was a Me262 on board it never saw the light of day. There is
no record of it appearing anywhere in the US.

Walt

There was an Me 262 on board. The uranium may have been intended as
catalyst for the production of methanol and fuel additives from coal.
It
has to be said that the Germans did have a nuclear weapons program.

When will these documents be declassified?







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"Gooneybird" wrote in message
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I vaguely recall that the U-234 was one of those cargo-carrying subs not
designed for underwater combat, and they were somewhat larger than the
rest of
the U-boat fleet.

I just checked Google and came up with this at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/map_u0234.html:



U-234
Cargo U-boat bound for Japan when war ended, surrendered to U.S.
authorities at sea carrying a total cargo of 260 tons, including uranium
oxide
ore, mercury, and the component parts for an Me 262 jet fighter.

Type: X B
Built: Germaniawerft, Kiel
Keel laid: 1 October 1941
Launched: 23 December 1943
Commissioned: 2 March 1944
Commander: KL Johann-Heinrich Fehler
Fate: Surrendered to destroyer escort USS Sutton east of the Flemish
Cap,
14 May 1945, after two Japanese passengers committed suicide. Other
passengers
bound for Japan included several Luftwaffe officers and technical
specialists
intended to improve Japanese aircraft defenses. The U.S. Navy used U-234
for
experimental trials and then sank her off Cape Cod, November 1946.

George Z.



The Germans tried pretty hard to stop the Japanese committing suicide but in
the end the two Japanese managed to do so. One of them was quite famous for
inventing an automatic depth keeping controller. The Germans had
considered continuing on to Japan rather than surrender but were actually
afraid of being treated harshly because they had heard of harsh treatment of
Europeans. This despite the fact that the Japanese had sworn on their honor
to ensure their excellent treatment. Hirschfeld regretfully mentions that
it turns out the Japanese gave outstanding treatment to Axis caught in Japan
after the surrender of Germany.

These subs I believe were not only mine layers but had been used as 'milk
cows' to rearm and refuel other subs. They were quite large and could
manage 40,000 nautical miles at 8 knots.

"The Enlightenment" wrote in message
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The Germans tried pretty hard to stop the Japanese committing suicide but
in
the end the two Japanese managed to do so. One of them was quite famous
for
inventing an automatic depth keeping controller. The Germans had
considered continuing on to Japan rather than surrender but were actually
afraid of being treated harshly because they had heard of harsh treatment
of
Europeans. This despite the fact that the Japanese had sworn on their
honor
to ensure their excellent treatment. Hirschfeld regretfully mentions that
it turns out the Japanese gave outstanding treatment to Axis caught in
Japan
after the surrender of Germany.

These subs I believe were not only mine layers but had been used as 'milk
cows' to rearm and refuel other subs. They were quite large and could
manage 40,000 nautical miles at 8 knots.



The Milch cows were type XIV boats outfitted as refuelling tankers,
they were all sunk by 1945, radar equipped search aircraft made their
mission suicidal. Of the 10 'Milk Cows' built 3 of them were sunk on
their maiden patrol and two had only been on patrols for around 2 weeks
when sunk.

Keith

"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: "The Enlightenment"


I see that you have high moral standards and sophisticated ethical
knowledge.

Hey, I wasn't then and am not now a Nazi....as opposed to that U-boat
captain
boo-hooing over his "rough and insulting" treatment. But the Nazis never
did
anything morally repugnate, and NEVER dealt out "rough and insulting"
treatment
to their prisoners, right?
Dave


Of course they did which is a good reason for not adopting their
methods, even if the captain was a Nazi, which is unproven
he was still entitled to be treated as per the Geneva convention.

Keith

From: "Keith Willshaw"


Of course they did which is a good reason for not adopting their
methods, even if the captain was a Nazi, which is unproven
he was still entitled to be treated as per the Geneva convention.
Keith

The other poster said he was complaining about rough treatment and having been
"demonized" by American personnel stuffed full of anti-Nazi propaganda. He
didn't mention that he wasn't treated as per the Geneva convention. Do you have
information that he wasn't?

I am not sure that receiving a fat lip after one gets sassy with your POW guard
violates the convention, or would call for an inquiry even.
Dave