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Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group?
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Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Sex -- Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com |
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On Jun 24, 6:57 am, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote: Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Sex -- Message posted viahttp://www.aviationkb.com It's not the same since the AWOS turkey went away :-) |
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On Jun 24, 4:13 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Stu, How about getting us some more info on the relaunched GM LS7 engine option for the Hummingbird? |
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"JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 4:13 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Stu, How about getting us some more info on the relaunched GM LS7 engine option for the Hummingbird? John O hows this: After numerous inquiries over the years I decided with much thought to bring back the GM engine as an option. The main reason is fuel. Price and availability. The new LS7 has a lot of changes over the previous GM that we were using. We can now get 427 cu. in. from an aluminum small block that weighs the same as before. Redundant electronic ignition and fuel control, titanium connecting rods, titanium valves, composite intake, made to produce 505hp at 6300rpm. We are only turning this engine at 3400rpm and we are not using a reduction unit. Direct drive into the transmission. All of this weighs the same as the Lycoming and produces 280hp. Burns 9 gallons per hour 91 octane fuel. With the price of Lycoming engines as they are, about $60,000.00 retail and fuel costs going up and availability of 100LL in the future, if this industry is to move on then it looks like we have to do it ourselves. I have the LS7 priced at $24,920.00 ready to install with all accessories, mounts, etc. More to come. That was direct from Brad Clark. Sounds like he is on top of things as usual. Brad does not have any flies on him. This makes the Hummingbird ever more attractive. Watch out R-44s Stu |
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On Jul 1, 8:51 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 4:13 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Stu, How about getting us some more info on the relaunched GM LS7 engine option for the Hummingbird? John O hows this: After numerous inquiries over the years I decided with much thought to bring back the GM engine as an option. The main reason is fuel. Price and availability. The new LS7 has a lot of changes over the previous GM that we were using. We can now get 427 cu. in. from an aluminum small block that weighs the same as before. Redundant electronic ignition and fuel control, titanium connecting rods, titanium valves, composite intake, made to produce 505hp at 6300rpm. We are only turning this engine at 3400rpm and we are not using a reduction unit. Direct drive into the transmission. All of this weighs the same as the Lycoming and produces 280hp. Burns 9 gallons per hour 91 octane fuel. With the price of Lycoming engines as they are, about $60,000.00 retail and fuel costs going up and availability of 100LL in the future, if this industry is to move on then it looks like we have to do it ourselves. I have the LS7 priced at $24,920.00 ready to install with all accessories, mounts, etc. More to come. That was direct from Brad Clark. Sounds like he is on top of things as usual. Brad does not have any flies on him. This makes the Hummingbird ever more attractive. Watch out R-44s Stu Wow! If the HB was it a wee bit faster it would eat the (magnificent) R44 for breakfast. But when doing the fuel burn and mantenance calcs you always have to figure that the HB is flying for about 25% more hours to get there, and thats if there's no headwind! But with the current numbers on the LS7 package, it is a very compelling package. Not sure how much longer I can hold out. I see they have a quickbuild fuselage for sale on their website.... |
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On Jul 2, 5:10 am, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego skiddz "AT" adelphia
"DOT" net wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:51:12 -0700, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: "JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 4:13 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Stu, How about getting us some more info on the relaunched GM LS7 engine option for the Hummingbird? John O hows this: After numerous inquiries over the years I decided with much thought to bring back the GM engine as an option. The main reason is fuel. Price and availability. The new LS7 has a lot of changes over the previous GM that we were using. We can now get 427 cu. in. from an aluminum small block that weighs the same as before. Redundant electronic ignition and fuel control, titanium connecting rods, titanium valves, composite intake, made to produce 505hp at 6300rpm. We are only turning this engine at 3400rpm and we are not using a reduction unit. Direct drive into the transmission. All of this weighs the same as the Lycoming and produces 280hp. Burns 9 gallons per hour 91 octane fuel. With the price of Lycoming engines as they are, about $60,000.00 retail and fuel costs going up and availability of 100LL in the future, if this industry is to move on then it looks like we have to do it ourselves. I have the LS7 priced at $24,920.00 ready to install with all accessories, mounts, etc. More to come. That was direct from Brad Clark. Sounds like he is on top of things as usual. Brad does not have any flies on him. This makes the Hummingbird ever more attractive. Watch out R-44s Stu You're not helping me save for my retirement Stu. That's a $40k savings - and that buys a lot of 91 octane unleaded.... .... and 91LL is a lot cheaper than avgas, and presumably the the LS7 rebuilds are commensurately cheaper. And the LS7 fuel burn is a lit lower too.... If only one of those Deltahawk diesels had the power to run a HB. |
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"JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jul 1, 8:51 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: "JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 4:13 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Stu, How about getting us some more info on the relaunched GM LS7 engine option for the Hummingbird? John O hows this: After numerous inquiries over the years I decided with much thought to bring back the GM engine as an option. The main reason is fuel. Price and availability. The new LS7 has a lot of changes over the previous GM that we were using. We can now get 427 cu. in. from an aluminum small block that weighs the same as before. Redundant electronic ignition and fuel control, titanium connecting rods, titanium valves, composite intake, made to produce 505hp at 6300rpm. We are only turning this engine at 3400rpm and we are not using a reduction unit. Direct drive into the transmission. All of this weighs the same as the Lycoming and produces 280hp. Burns 9 gallons per hour 91 octane fuel. With the price of Lycoming engines as they are, about $60,000.00 retail and fuel costs going up and availability of 100LL in the future, if this industry is to move on then it looks like we have to do it ourselves. I have the LS7 priced at $24,920.00 ready to install with all accessories, mounts, etc. More to come. That was direct from Brad Clark. Sounds like he is on top of things as usual. Brad does not have any flies on him. This makes the Hummingbird ever more attractive. Watch out R-44s Stu Wow! If the HB was it a wee bit faster it would eat the (magnificent) R44 for breakfast. But when doing the fuel burn and mantenance calcs you always have to figure that the HB is flying for about 25% more hours to get there, and thats if there's no headwind! But with the current numbers on the LS7 package, it is a very compelling package. Not sure how much longer I can hold out. I see they have a quickbuild fuselage for sale on their website....+ John: The maintenance costs. You can't get a Home Depot part and use it in an R-44. A friend got a couple of pieces of aluminum angle from Home Depot and put them on his Rotorway as strakes. Total cost $12. Another friend bought the strake kit for his Bell 206A. Looked just like the Home depot parts, $8500!!! Over 700% mark up. The repair parts are expensive. So is the A&P and IA that the R-44 requires. Further you can't own an R-44. You can only kind of lease it. Both Robinson & FAA tell you what parts you can use and how much they cost and when you have to change them. Like biodegradable rotor blades. They have a calendar life as well as a useful life. No, if I had the cash in hand to buy a new R-44, I would buy the Hummingbird. We don't know how much longer 100LL is going to be available. If you can call $6.00+/gal available. stu |
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On Jul 2, 1:24 pm, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jul 1, 8:51 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: "JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 4:13 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Stu, How about getting us some more info on the relaunched GM LS7 engine option for the Hummingbird? John O hows this: After numerous inquiries over the years I decided with much thought to bring back the GM engine as an option. The main reason is fuel. Price and availability. The new LS7 has a lot of changes over the previous GM that we were using. We can now get 427 cu. in. from an aluminum small block that weighs the same as before. Redundant electronic ignition and fuel control, titanium connecting rods, titanium valves, composite intake, made to produce 505hp at 6300rpm. We are only turning this engine at 3400rpm and we are not using a reduction unit. Direct drive into the transmission. All of this weighs the same as the Lycoming and produces 280hp. Burns 9 gallons per hour 91 octane fuel. With the price of Lycoming engines as they are, about $60,000.00 retail and fuel costs going up and availability of 100LL in the future, if this industry is to move on then it looks like we have to do it ourselves. I have the LS7 priced at $24,920.00 ready to install with all accessories, mounts, etc. More to come. That was direct from Brad Clark. Sounds like he is on top of things as usual. Brad does not have any flies on him. This makes the Hummingbird ever more attractive. Watch out R-44s Stu Wow! If the HB was it a wee bit faster it would eat the (magnificent) R44 for breakfast. But when doing the fuel burn and mantenance calcs you always have to figure that the HB is flying for about 25% more hours to get there, and thats if there's no headwind! But with the current numbers on the LS7 package, it is a very compelling package. Not sure how much longer I can hold out. I see they have a quickbuild fuselage for sale on their website....+ John: The maintenance costs. You can't get a Home Depot part and use it in an R-44. A friend got a couple of pieces of aluminum angle from Home Depot and put them on his Rotorway as strakes. Total cost $12. Another friend bought the strake kit for his Bell 206A. Looked just like the Home depot parts, $8500!!! Over 700% mark up. The repair parts are expensive. So is the A&P and IA that the R-44 requires. Further you can't own an R-44. You can only kind of lease it. Both Robinson & FAA tell you what parts you can use and how much they cost and when you have to change them. Like biodegradable rotor blades. They have a calendar life as well as a useful life. No, if I had the cash in hand to buy a new R-44, I would buy the Hummingbird. We don't know how much longer 100LL is going to be available. If you can call $6.00+/gal available. stu Oh yeah, I forgot about the 12 year rebuild. I know what you mean about certified parts - thats why I mentioned in the other post that the LS7 rebuild would presumably be a lot cheaper than the lycoming option. I'm really fascinated by this V8 option. Auto conversions have promised a lot for a long time but never seemed to really 'get there'. This one looks good but I just need to know what one of those engines looks like inside after each hundred or so hours up to a couple of thousand or whatever the rebuild time is (what is it?) before I will feel genuinely comfortable with hanging from one. On the face of it this engine is not going to be stressed in it's HB life (is that the same as de-rated?) so I expect it to pan out well as long as its supporting components such as electrical, water and oil systems also work as reliably. |
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On Jul 1, 8:51 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 4:13 am, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote: Does anyone know where the kickstarter is for this group? stu Stu, How about getting us some more info on the relaunched GM LS7 engine option for the Hummingbird? John O hows this: After numerous inquiries over the years I decided with much thought to bring back the GM engine as an option. The main reason is fuel. Price and availability. The new LS7 has a lot of changes over the previous GM that we were using. We can now get 427 cu. in. from an aluminum small block that weighs the same as before. Redundant electronic ignition and fuel control, titanium connecting rods, titanium valves, composite intake, made to produce 505hp at 6300rpm. We are only turning this engine at 3400rpm and we are not using a reduction unit. Direct drive into the transmission. All of this weighs the same as the Lycoming and produces 280hp. Burns 9 gallons per hour 91 octane fuel. With the price of Lycoming engines as they are, about $60,000.00 retail and fuel costs going up and availability of 100LL in the future, if this industry is to move on then it looks like we have to do it ourselves. I have the LS7 priced at $24,920.00 ready to install with all accessories, mounts, etc. More to come. That was direct from Brad Clark. Sounds like he is on top of things as usual. Brad does not have any flies on him. This makes the Hummingbird ever more attractive. Watch out R-44s Stu Stu, the Lycoming engine price on Vertical Aviation's website is $31,920.00 - where does that $60k number come from? |
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