Transponders

A question to you fine soaring fraternity, what would your response be to
someone who suggested that it might be feasable to run a transponder in a
glider with a pedal generator?

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BEER! So much more than just a breakfast drink!

"Mil80C" wrote in message
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A question to you fine soaring fraternity, what would your response be to
someone who suggested that it might be feasable to run a transponder in a
glider with a pedal generator?

A raised eyebrow, a polite silence, a glance at my wris****ch, followed
by a graceful withdrawal.

Vaughn



--
BEER! So much more than just a breakfast drink!

Are you on drugs? This is a bad idea for so, so many
reasons. Here are a few...

1. I don't want to pedal.
2. My feet are busy operating the rudder.
3. My cockpit is a constant state of crisis, which
allows no time for pedalling.
4. I sometimes fly in airspace for hours at a time.
I resent have to move the stick for hours at a time,
let alone having to pedal for hours at a time.
5. Weight.
6. Complexity.
7. I like a simple life.
8. I don't want a bearded sandal wearer installing
weird science contraptions in my glider.

Here's an idea. Why not use a battery?


At 15:00 21 January 2004, Vaughn Simon wrote:

'Mil80C' wrote in message
...
A question to you fine soaring fraternity, what would
your response be to
someone who suggested that it might be feasable to
run a transponder in a
glider with a pedal generator?

A raised eyebrow, a polite silence, a glance at
my wris****ch, followed
by a graceful withdrawal.

Vaughn



--
BEER! So much more than just a breakfast drink!

and how long does the battery last?
with the transponder on?

Australia decided, that planes without a permanent source
of power on board, do not need transponders in mixed
airspace.

I would prefer, that IFR traffic out of airport airspace should
fly higher than the convection height from sunrise to sunset :-)
How's that??
Chris


"Ben Flewett" wrote in message
...
Are you on drugs? This is a bad idea for so, so many
reasons. Here are a few...

1. I don't want to pedal.
2. My feet are busy operating the rudder.
3. My cockpit is a constant state of crisis, which
allows no time for pedalling.
4. I sometimes fly in airspace for hours at a time.
I resent have to move the stick for hours at a time,
let alone having to pedal for hours at a time.
5. Weight.
6. Complexity.
7. I like a simple life.
8. I don't want a bearded sandal wearer installing
weird science contraptions in my glider.

Here's an idea. Why not use a battery?


At 15:00 21 January 2004, Vaughn Simon wrote:

'Mil80C' wrote in message
...
A question to you fine soaring fraternity, what would
your response be to
someone who suggested that it might be feasable to
run a transponder in a
glider with a pedal generator?

A raised eyebrow, a polite silence, a glance at
my wris****ch, followed
by a graceful withdrawal.

Vaughn



--
BEER! So much more than just a breakfast drink!

CH wrote:
and how long does the battery last?
with the transponder on?

A modern transponder like the Becker or Microaire draws about 600 ma
with an encoder. People report getting 5 and 6 hour flights on a 7
amphour battery, and still plenty of power left.

Australia decided, that planes without a permanent source
of power on board, do not need transponders in mixed
airspace.

I would prefer, that IFR traffic out of airport airspace should
fly higher than the convection height from sunrise to sunset :-)
How's that??
Chris

Aye, and that's the rub: they come down to the airport, don't they? And
the airport airspace doesn't go all the way up to 18000 here in the USA,
but only to about 10,000 or so. And the buggers don't drop down into the
top, but slide in from the side. Can you believe it?

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

:-) bugger - I thought they land vertically...??

by the way - when I flew in "black forest gliding site"
in Colorado 1980, it was possible to fly with the glider
on top over the incoming traffic to the mountains and
higher than a certain minimum height stright over the
airport. Is that still possible in the US in times of new
home security or is it now forbidden and are you will
be shot down and then imprisioned under Ashcrofts
creation, the patriot act?
Chris

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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CH wrote:
and how long does the battery last?
with the transponder on?

Aye, and that's the rub: they come down to the airport, don't they? And
the airport airspace doesn't go all the way up to 18000 here in the USA,
but only to about 10,000 or so. And the buggers don't drop down into the
top, but slide in from the side. Can you believe it?

change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

How long the battery lasts will depend on how big it is (yes Virginia,
bigger is better), what its state of charge and condition is, what the
current draw of the transponder is (don't forget the blind encoder), what
the interrogation rate is, and if you also have solar panels . . . oh, and
how fast you pedal.
--
bumper ZZ (reverse all after @)
"Dare to be different . . . circle in sink."


"CH" wrote in message
news
and how long does the battery last?
with the transponder on?

Australia decided, that planes without a permanent source
of power on board, do not need transponders in mixed
airspace.

I would prefer, that IFR traffic out of airport airspace should
fly higher than the convection height from sunrise to sunset :-)
How's that??
Chris


"Ben Flewett" wrote in message
...
Are you on drugs? This is a bad idea for so, so many
reasons. Here are a few...

1. I don't want to pedal.
2. My feet are busy operating the rudder.
3. My cockpit is a constant state of crisis, which
allows no time for pedalling.
4. I sometimes fly in airspace for hours at a time.
I resent have to move the stick for hours at a time,
let alone having to pedal for hours at a time.
5. Weight.
6. Complexity.
7. I like a simple life.
8. I don't want a bearded sandal wearer installing
weird science contraptions in my glider.

Here's an idea. Why not use a battery?


At 15:00 21 January 2004, Vaughn Simon wrote:

'Mil80C' wrote in message
...
A question to you fine soaring fraternity, what would
your response be to
someone who suggested that it might be feasable to
run a transponder in a
glider with a pedal generator?

A raised eyebrow, a polite silence, a glance at
my wris****ch, followed
by a graceful withdrawal.

Vaughn



--
BEER! So much more than just a breakfast drink!

$30 will get you an extra battery which will run your transponder longer
than you can stay in the air. Unfortunately many pilots as well as the FAA
don't know this.

Ramy


"CH" wrote in message
news
and how long does the battery last?
with the transponder on?

Australia decided, that planes without a permanent source
of power on board, do not need transponders in mixed
airspace.

I would prefer, that IFR traffic out of airport airspace should
fly higher than the convection height from sunrise to sunset :-)
How's that??
Chris


"Ben Flewett" wrote in message
...
Are you on drugs? This is a bad idea for so, so many
reasons. Here are a few...

1. I don't want to pedal.
2. My feet are busy operating the rudder.
3. My cockpit is a constant state of crisis, which
allows no time for pedalling.
4. I sometimes fly in airspace for hours at a time.
I resent have to move the stick for hours at a time,
let alone having to pedal for hours at a time.
5. Weight.
6. Complexity.
7. I like a simple life.
8. I don't want a bearded sandal wearer installing
weird science contraptions in my glider.

Here's an idea. Why not use a battery?


At 15:00 21 January 2004, Vaughn Simon wrote:

'Mil80C' wrote in message
...
A question to you fine soaring fraternity, what would
your response be to
someone who suggested that it might be feasable to
run a transponder in a
glider with a pedal generator?

A raised eyebrow, a polite silence, a glance at
my wris****ch, followed
by a graceful withdrawal.

Vaughn



--
BEER! So much more than just a breakfast drink!

Thanks all for your responses, the idea was posted in another NG and as I am
not of the soaring fraternaty, could not speak against it with any
experience. I will say that as an ATC, I will allways support your sport.

"Ramy Yanetz" wrote in message
om...
$30 will get you an extra battery which will run your transponder longer
than you can stay in the air. Unfortunately many pilots as well as the FAA
don't know this.

Ramy


"CH" wrote in message
news
and how long does the battery last?
with the transponder on?

Australia decided, that planes without a permanent source
of power on board, do not need transponders in mixed
airspace.

I would prefer, that IFR traffic out of airport airspace should
fly higher than the convection height from sunrise to sunset :-)
How's that??
Chris


"Ben Flewett" wrote in message
...
Are you on drugs? This is a bad idea for so, so many
reasons. Here are a few...

1. I don't want to pedal.
2. My feet are busy operating the rudder.
3. My cockpit is a constant state of crisis, which
allows no time for pedalling.
4. I sometimes fly in airspace for hours at a time.
I resent have to move the stick for hours at a time,
let alone having to pedal for hours at a time.
5. Weight.
6. Complexity.
7. I like a simple life.
8. I don't want a bearded sandal wearer installing
weird science contraptions in my glider.

Here's an idea. Why not use a battery?


At 15:00 21 January 2004, Vaughn Simon wrote:

'Mil80C' wrote in message
...
A question to you fine soaring fraternity, what would
your response be to
someone who suggested that it might be feasable to
run a transponder in a
glider with a pedal generator?

A raised eyebrow, a polite silence, a glance at
my wris****ch, followed
by a graceful withdrawal.

Vaughn



--
BEER! So much more than just a breakfast drink!

my experience is, that ATCs do not like glider pilots
as soon as they find out, that you cannot keep your
flight level.
In central Europe I had a transponder in the glider,
to get permission to cross some controlled corridors.
I mostly got permission to cross the airspace with
the condition of keeping flight level! A reply of not
being able to keep flight level invertet mostly the
permission into refusal.
The trick was then to enter the airspace first and then
request for sinking to flightlevel (-2FL for the 20km).
But the ATC never liked you for doing that!!

I think Transponder requirement is only virtually
increasing safety. You accept to install transponders
and as a thank you, they will steal you some more
airspace which has been free for VFR before!

Chris


"Mil80C" wrote in message
...
Thanks all for your responses, the idea was posted in another NG and as I
am
not of the soaring fraternaty, could not speak against it with any
experience. I will say that as an ATC, I will allways support your sport.

"Ramy Yanetz" wrote in message
om...
$30 will get you an extra battery which will run your transponder longer
than you can stay in the air. Unfortunately many pilots as well as the
FAA
don't know this.
Ramy

"CH" wrote in message
news
and how long does the battery last?
with the transponder on?
Australia decided, that planes without a permanent source
of power on board, do not need transponders in mixed
airspace.
I would prefer, that IFR traffic out of airport airspace should
fly higher than the convection height from sunrise to sunset :-)
How's that??
Chris