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Best dogfight gun?
It takes time to wind up and has a small projectile, so how does the M61 really stack up against, say, the BK27 og Giat 30mm as far as dogfighting is concerned? Even with the PGU28? Is shot density the primary factor to look at? Regards... |
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"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote: It takes time to wind up and has a small projectile, so how does the M61 really stack up against, say, the BK27 og Giat 30mm as far as dogfighting is concerned? Even with the PGU28? Is shot density the primary factor to look at? Major factors a 1. muzzle velocity 2. bullet mass 3. rate of fire They all have to work together to raise PK (probability of kill). |
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"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message ...
It takes time to wind up and has a small projectile, so how does the M61 really stack up against, say, the BK27 og Giat 30mm as far as dogfighting is concerned? Even with the PGU28? Is shot density the primary factor to look at? Regards... The M61 is a poor substitute for this bad baby: http://www.airforce-technology.com/c.../mauser21.html Rob |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:28:01 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
In article , (robert arndt) wrote: The M61 is a poor substitute for this bad baby: http://www.airforce-technology.com/c.../mauser21.html ...if you don't mind only firing 1,700 rounds per minute as opposed to about 6,000... Look at the spool up times ;-)... Whats the avarage gun burst time in a dogfight... Cheers John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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John Cook wrote: On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:28:01 GMT, Chad Irby wrote: In article , (robert arndt) wrote: The M61 is a poor substitute for this bad baby: http://www.airforce-technology.com/c...2/mauser21.htm l ...if you don't mind only firing 1,700 rounds per minute as opposed to about 6,000... Look at the spool up times ;-)... If you forget to warm up your Gatling, you're probably the sort to forget to arm the darned thing to begin with. The technical term for that is "dead guy." Whats the avarage gun burst time in a dogfight... Whatever it is, you're going to have to hold the trigger down for over three times that to get the same amount of fire downrange. -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:45:39 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
Whats the avarage gun burst time in a dogfight... Whatever it is, you're going to have to hold the trigger down for over three times that to get the same amount of fire downrange. Given the that the designer of the mig-29 is on record as saying that he should have halved the number of rounds carried for its gsh-30L. Tony Williams has a table on his website which details why a single barrelled cannon will get there 1st with the mostest when compared to a gatling. greg -- In the beginning. Back in nineteen fifty-five Man didn’t know about a rock ’n’ roll show And all that jive. |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:20:23 +1100, John Cook
wrote: On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:28:01 GMT, Chad Irby wrote: In article , (robert arndt) wrote: The M61 is a poor substitute for this bad baby: http://www.airforce-technology.com/c.../mauser21.html ...if you don't mind only firing 1,700 rounds per minute as opposed to about 6,000... Look at the spool up times ;-)... Whats the avarage gun burst time in a dogfight... Cheers John Cook Cover all the bases and use a GAU-8 ;-) Takes a bit to wind up but even those first rounds will count for something :-) |
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Cover all the bases and use a GAU-8 ;-) Takes a bit to wind up but
even those first rounds will count for something :-) Amen brother! The API round will go in one end of an aircraft and out the other without slowing down. A lot of people are forgetting about range and bullet dispersion. The GAU-8 can reach out and touch someone at twice the range of most cannon, without the huge loss in bullet density. If you actually ever get into the dreaded knife-fight in a phone booth, the other guy is going to have second thoughts about screwing with an A-10 when the nose erupts in a huge cloud of smoke well beyond the range he can employ his gun. |
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Chad Irby wrote in message om...
In article , (robert arndt) wrote: The M61 is a poor substitute for this bad baby: http://www.airforce-technology.com/c.../mauser21.html ...if you don't mind only firing 1,700 rounds per minute as opposed to about 6,000... ....when the M61 doesn't jam, that is. I prefer Mauser's BK-27 jam-proof linkless and up-coming dual feed version. BTW, in close combat 6000 rpm bursts don't mean that much. A 1,700-1,800 rpm burst of 27mm fire from the single-barrel BK-27 will ruin your day, especially with frangible ammo. Now if only the Germans could fit the amazing 30mm RMK inside the Typhoon... but I'm sure it will find its way onto the Tiger helo. Rob |
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