Shooting at helicopters, any proof? (Katrina)

....and what did you understand my suggestion was? I did not suggest
that they should shoot to get attention nor did I suggest that they
should shoot at all. I merely suggested that, may have been WHY they
shot. I don't see that as being ludicrous, does anyone else here see
that as being ludicrous?

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f...25-1077495.php

dan

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f...25-1077495.php

Wow -- a "combat operation." That really sums it up, doesn't it?

An acquaintance of mine has an interesting theory on what is causing the
chaos of looting, arson, and sniping going on in New Orleans: A fairly
large percentage of the poor population of the N.O. inner city are drug
addicts. With the extensive flooding and hurricane damage, they've all been
"without" their drugs of choice for quite a few days now -- and they're all
in withdrawal.

Hell, no *wonder* they're all acting nuts.

This would also explain why they didn't evacuate, I suppose -- and why they
haven't done much of anything to save themselves, for that matter?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:22:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f...25-1077495.php

Wow -- a "combat operation." That really sums it up, doesn't it?

An acquaintance of mine has an interesting theory on what is causing the
chaos of looting, arson, and sniping going on in New Orleans: A fairly
large percentage of the poor population of the N.O. inner city are drug
addicts. With the extensive flooding and hurricane damage, they've all been
"without" their drugs of choice for quite a few days now -- and they're all
in withdrawal.

Hell, no *wonder* they're all acting nuts.

This would also explain why they didn't evacuate, I suppose -- and why they
haven't done much of anything to save themselves, for that matter?

Don't forget to factor in that every politician in the state from the
governor on down is a crook and all the cops are on the take.

Don

On 9/4/05 9:22 PM, in article N5NSe.327457$xm3.173851@attbi_s21, "Jay
Honeck" wrote:


An acquaintance of mine has an interesting theory on what is causing the
chaos of looting, arson, and sniping going on in New Orleans: A fairly
large percentage of the poor population of the N.O. inner city are drug
addicts. With the extensive flooding and hurricane damage, they've all been
"without" their drugs of choice for quite a few days now -- and they're all
in withdrawal.


Bull. The N.O. Police initially turned their heads at the looting, and if
some of the pictures I've seen haven't been misinterpreted, even joined in.
What they did was leave N. O. to the mercy of animals and the law of the
jungle prevailed. The cops dishonored themselves and abandoned their duties
and their city.

If you are a cop in the midst of a disaster, shoot looters. When you do, you
keep order, save lives and property.
--
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Flyingmonk wrote:
1. Has any helicopter been shoot down during Katrina rescue attempt?
2. Has any helicopters returned with bullet holes? one bullet hole?

I'd say those people were shooting to get attention of the pilots.
When I was young, I was taught to shoot three times in the air if you
needed help.

I don't know how you would know people were shooting at you. Even in
wartime the only way you know is by looking at the tracer bullets or
little flashes on the ground. I suppose if someone actually hit your
aircraft you would notice, and you might receive reports from people on
the ground.

When I was young, I was taught all sorts of crazy things, too. I
probably still believe some of them, but I have learned to try to be
skeptical of them.

CJ
In my 40+ years of flying aircraft around the world, I've been shot at
a number of times. Yes I knew it when bullets went by that were close.
But, I suspect I've been shot at any number of times and didn't know
about it either because the shooter was way behind me, or shooting
under me. I've been hit at least twice in helicopters while crop
dusting with the bullet holes to prove it.
There are some really stupid people out there who shoot just for the
hell of it without meaning to do damage or not aware of how damaging it
can be. I've also been shot on the ground with the bullet scars to
remind me and I have zero tolerance for anyone who takes a shot at me.
I will shoot to kill without hesitation or remorse.
Those who are shooting in New Orleans are doing so out of pure hatred
and meaness. I sincerely hope that the law enforcement people,
including the federal troops, have the authorization to shoot to kill
anyone who has a firearm and uses it in a threatening manner.
Having seen that the majority of those in the congested area of
survivors are black, and the majority of the troops coming in are
white, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that when whites shoot
black looters or anarchists, the "reverend" jesse jackson will be on
camera screaming of genocide and white racism.
I live not far from New Orleans and have worked in that city on and off
since 1967. This problem was predicted many years ago and the fault for
the current problems stems DIRECTLY from the locals who failed to
follow their own procedures in a timely fashion.
When things start to settle down a little I expect to be flying
helicopter as a relief pilot with the overworked crews and I won't be
surprised to be shot at again by people who are angry at their plight
in life and feel the need to shoot at those who try to help them.
Police, firemen, EMS, troops, helicopters.....
Some really STOOOPID people out there
Ol shy & Bashful

Well put.

Finally, someone's been charged for this.

http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/archive...D8CEVR5O3.html

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
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Finally, someone's been charged for this.

http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/archive...D8CEVR5O3.html

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

The AP article:

**********
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- A New Orleans man was arrested and charged with shooting
at a military rescue helicopter. Authorities said the bullets apparently did
not hit anything.
Wendell Bailey, 20, was taken into custody Monday night by agents with the
federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
The agents were in the neighborhood to investigate neighbors' complaints of
gunfire and heard shots from an apartment window as a helicopter flew over.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...-Shooting.html
************

A couple of things to note: First, this happened on Monday night, so it
doesn't address whether any of the earlier-rumored shootings occurred (see
the link just posted in the other helicopters thread). Second, according to
the article, there was apparently ongoing gunfire for an unspecified reason;
neighbors complained; ATF agents showed up and arrested an alleged shooter.
The only mentioned connection to helicopters is that the agents "heard shots
from an apartment window as a helicopter flew over". But if the shots were
already ongoing anyway, that doesn't sound like strong evidence that the
helicopter was the target. We'll see.

--Gary