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Chad Irby wrote:
James Robinson wrote: Chad Irby wrote: AJC wrote: Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals. Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens. Does that somehow make it better? Note he said a "big brother" regime. Brazil is a democracy, you should look up your terms. "Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again, being a democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and fingerprints from everybody? How do you feel about the registration of firearm? I don't approve of it. Figures. Note that over the last couple of years, firearms laws have been *relaxing* across most of the US, with one of the sillier ones going away this September (the Assault Weapons Ban). Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists can get hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't find them. |
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Chad Irby wrote:
"patLB" wrote: On the other hand, you could always visit Spain, and relax on their nice, safe, high-speed trains. Or the ones in France. Still waiting for the high speed trains of USA... The distances are too long. Air travel is cheaper for that sort of range, What gave you that idea. High speed trains are effective in the range of 200 to 500 miles. There are lots of large cities within that distance. Just draw a circle around Chicago or Washington, and see how many cities are enclosed. For that distance, trains have a lower operating cost and aircraft. Don't just think of transcontinental service, where aircraft have the advantage. Any moron with a chunk of steel can knock a train off the tracks. ... and as we've found out, trains are far too prone to sabotage. The terrorists just picked trains for their latest attack. Trains are no more at risk than any other place where people congregate. The next attack might be in the lineup for tickets for Disney World, at a shopping center during Christmas shopping, on a ferry boat, and so on. |
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Quantum Foam Guy wrote:
"James Robinson" wrote: I do consider it fascism. I also have never had my fingerprints taken for a driver's license in the US. Do you consider Jerry Brown to be a fascist? California started DL fingerprinting in 1977 and it became mandatory in 1982. How about Bill Clinton? Is he a fascist? Fascism is the belief in an authoritarian central government. All of the above are part of a movement toward more and more control of everyday life by government, and as such can be considered a step in the general direction. One only has to look at the size of the Code of Federal Regulations to see what is happening. I have a number of sections on my shelf for reference, and those sections of the code have essentially doubled in size over the last decade. Is it really necessary? Remember that some of the worst leaders around the world were initially elected to office by the population, and then instituted tighter and tighter controls in the name of security. It doesn't mean that what the US government is doing will end up with the same result, but I certainly don't want to make it easy for them. |
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"Marie Lewis" wrote:
In my country UK) fingerprints mean you are suspected of having committed a crime. That is why we object. Doesn't your military fingerprint it's members?...they do in Canada... -- -Gord. |
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Peter Kemp wrote in
: On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:47:07 GMT, Chad Irby wrote: In article , Peter Kemp wrote: Oh, and defending your home is not illegal, the emphasis in the UK is defending your *life*, and to use reasonable force (where reasonable force does *not*include waiting for burglars with an illegally held shorgun, then shooting one of them in the back). ...in the dark, in the wee hours of the morning, in a remote area, when the police wouldn't do much of anything... Which is a policing problem, not a legal one. Truly free countries realize that police cannot be everywhere,and protect everyone.They allow citizens the means to defend themselves and their homes. Nice of you folks to protect violent burglars like that (look at the wonderful followups of what the "victimized" burglar has done since). Which one - the one without *any* violent convictions who is mouldering in his grave after being murdered? Or the other one (and I can't recall any violent convicitons for him either) whose is admittedly a miserable git? --- Peter Kemp Life is short - drink faster Why are you so concerned about criminals shot while committing a crime,and not for the poor guy who suffered repeated burglaries? What does "violent convictions" have to do with it? Shooting the crims was a public service. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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Magda wrote in
news On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:04:43 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Brian" arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : ... ... "AJC" wrote in message ... ... ... Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the ... former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in ... any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals. ... ... ... So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints? Passports, DLs, and ... every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for terrorists. Vein detection in fingers and shape of ears. retinal scans. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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mtravelkay wrote: Chad Irby wrote: Is this because the process for each person is long, or because of the relative number of people coming in at a time? The number of people coming and the number of people working for Immigration. But, if we double the time it takes to process each person by requiring the photo and fingerprints, can you imagine the results, unless we hire twice as many Immigration people? And what makes you think taking someone's photo and having them put their hands on an optical scanner will double the time? If it takes more than a few seconds, someone's screwing up. What actually occurs with the photo and fingerprints? I doubt Immigration waits for a fingerprint or image search for know "evil-doers". It sure will help if we're looking for one or another person who came in on a particular flight, without letting them know we're looking specifically for them... -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Peter Kemp wrote: Still takes too bloody long though - of the 30+ countries I've been to, entering over half I've never had to spend more than 20 seconds at immigration (and quite often just walk past showing the *outside* of my UK passport), and I'll be buggered if they're getting my fingerprints without a fight. Really funny. The folks from countries with government-sponsored health care, with the government knowing the results of their last rectal exams, are worried about fingerprints... -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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James Robinson wrote in
: Chad Irby wrote: James Robinson wrote: Chad Irby wrote: AJC wrote: Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals. Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens. Does that somehow make it better? Note he said a "big brother" regime. Brazil is a democracy, you should look up your terms. "Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again, being a democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and fingerprints from everybody? How do you feel about the registration of firearm? I don't approve of it. Figures. Note that over the last couple of years, firearms laws have been *relaxing* across most of the US, with one of the sillier ones going away this September (the Assault Weapons Ban). Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists can get hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't find them. Uh,if a firearm is NOT left behind at a crime scene,there's nothing to trace back to anyone. I hope you're not going to bring up "ballistic fingerprinting",as it's ineffective,and the "FP" changes over time,with use of the firearm,and CAN be intentionally altered easily,unlike true fingerprints. Registering firearms is only useful for confiscation. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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In article ,
Peter Kemp wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:47:07 GMT, Chad Irby wrote: In article , Peter Kemp wrote: Oh, and defending your home is not illegal, the emphasis in the UK is defending your *life*, and to use reasonable force (where reasonable force does *not*include waiting for burglars with an illegally held shorgun, then shooting one of them in the back). ...in the dark, in the wee hours of the morning, in a remote area, when the police wouldn't do much of anything... Which is a policing problem, not a legal one. So your claim is that people can't police their own homes, but the police don't have to, either? No wonder the crime rate's going up so fast over there. Nice of you folks to protect violent burglars like that (look at the wonderful followups of what the "victimized" burglar has done since). Which one - the one without *any* violent convictions who is mouldering in his grave after being murdered? "Murdered" suggests some sort of innocence. If he didn't want to risk his life, he shouldn't have committed the crime. Ranks right up there with idiots who get killed doing other stupid things, like walking on railroad tracks. I can't believe you're defending a criminal who died while committing a potentially-violent crime. Or the other one (and I can't recall any violent convicitons for him either) whose is admittedly a miserable git? Well, aside from being a drug dealer who *did* have a bad history, there's no particular reason to want that sort of asshole running around. Or do you really think these two saints would have left the old guy alone if he *hadn't* been armed? -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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