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"RomeoMike" wrote That was the PA 23-180, "Geronimo" conversion. I got my multi in one of those and later had a real engine out experience (right one) on a cross country with my family. Fortunately, we were not in the mountains. What was the approximate single engine service ceiling? (if that is the right way to say it for multis) -- Jim in NC |
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Oh man, this is such a nice pitch, right down the middle, so very easy to hit out of the park. Or is it bait? Looks like bait. Smells like bait. Trolls like bait. On Jan 15, 3:39 am, Mxsmanic wrote: Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes: We did most of the training in a multi sim, then went for a couple of flights in a Seminole.Why waste time in a sim? It has nothing to do with real flying. I know this because experts here have told me so. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Mxsmanic wrote: Why waste time in a sim? It has nothing to do with real flying. I know this because experts here have told me so. Then you haven't been paying attention, my flightless friend : ) (you were right, Tony...) |
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Jim Macklin wrote: For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech Baron with the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of the straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and weights 400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400 pounds more payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot range without demanding the pilot be on oxygen. But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220 hp engines. Duchess? Floats? cocks head Uuuhhhhh??? IIRC the real speedster of the Baron family was the BE56TC with the 380hp Lycs... although I'm not sure if the 58P might have been a few ka-nots faster at altitude though. |
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That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to the
single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft. Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that. Jim "Morgans" wrote in message ... "RomeoMike" wrote That was the PA 23-180, "Geronimo" conversion. I got my multi in one of those and later had a real engine out experience (right one) on a cross country with my family. Fortunately, we were not in the mountains. What was the approximate single engine service ceiling? (if that is the right way to say it for multis) -- Jim in NC |
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Takeoffs and landings in the Aztec are simply fun. If you don't care
whether or not you can see out the windscreen, just rotate at 80mph, hold 100mph, and it will climb like you say, a scalded cat. Landings can be just as steep, it will land on any spot you can see over the nose. Hold 85mph all the way down to 30ft above the deck then ad a short burst of power to arrest your decent as you level off, you can have it stopped in 500 ft easy. Jim |
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"Jim" wrote That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to the single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft. Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that. Since this is usenet and nitpicking is all the rage... the above is not quite correct. Service ceiling is the altitude at which you can no longer climb faster than something like 100 fpm. If you're above the service ceiling when you lose the engine you will probably be able to maintain something somewhat higher, like maybe 6005 feet... BDS |
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Ahh... your nit is picked correctly Absolute single engine ceiling would
be more correct. Another nit would be that those numbers are created by test pilots and then "altered" by salesman. For instance the service ceiling for the Aztec is around 15,000 feet... yeah right! I've had ours up to 13,000 at full gross, and I tell you I had to step climb to get up that last 1000 feet, and it was at no where near 100 fpm. Jim "BDS" wrote in message t... "Jim" wrote That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to the single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft. Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that. Since this is usenet and nitpicking is all the rage... the above is not quite correct. Service ceiling is the altitude at which you can no longer climb faster than something like 100 fpm. If you're above the service ceiling when you lose the engine you will probably be able to maintain something somewhat higher, like maybe 6005 feet... BDS |
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Morgans wrote: What was the approximate single engine service ceiling? (if that is the right way to say it for multis) I don't remember exactly, but something like 5000 ft. for the Geronimo comes to mind. I have a copy of a copy of the POH, so the altitude performance chart is unreadable. I aways figured I could fly on one engine in low elevation areas, but in the mountainous west, particularly on a non-standard day, forget it. |
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RomeoMike wrote:
I don't remember exactly, but something like 5000 ft. for the Geronimo comes to mind. I have a copy of a copy of the POH, so the altitude performance chart is unreadable. I aways figured I could fly on one engine in low elevation areas, but in the mountainous west, particularly on a non-standard day, forget it. I can't remember either, mainly because I never had to worry about it. As a flatland pilot, I was more concerned with the PITA hand pumping of the gear and the flaps if I lost the critical engine (which I think was the right one... it's been 16 years since I flew one). Pretty much any altitude at all would be enough to stay clear of obstacles on the routes I flew. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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