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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:TmS1c.479999$na.1157858@attbi_s04... Nah, only liberals stick with what they believed in their youth... um... does that make me a liberal? Well, I dunno. I've never met a life-long Republican before. Many (most?) of us started out all starry-eyed, believing that everyone was equal, and that the only reason some folks were paid more than others was because of some amorphous "evil" in the world that held back "the people." "From each, according to his abilities, to each, according to his needs" wasn't just a Communist slogan -- many of us really believed it, and hoped to make it a reality. Those of us who obtained a liberal arts degree in college were REALLY fed this line, and most of us swallowed it, hook, line and sinker. It usually seems to take some true, harsh life experiences before one realizes what a crock of sh*t all that really is. What's that old saying? "A Conservative is a Liberal who has been mugged." Mugged by a bad guy...or just mugged by reality. "It's said that criminals behave as they do because of their lack of economic opportunities. Actually, it's more that they have no economic opportunities BECAUSE they are criminals." Tom -- "The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality,.." -- H.L. Mencken |
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Jay,
You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist. I am a life long liberal - I believe that government and industry has a responsibility to help those in need, that the environment needs extensive protecting, that most social programs do enough good to outweigh the inherent waste and transfer costs... I am also a confirmed capitalist. I built a company with over 300 employees over a 15 year period. I sold it for enough money to enjoy a comfortable retirement in my mid 40's, and started another company last year when I found retirement boring. I've paid pretty extensive taxes - well worth it for the privilege of living in the USA. For some reason conservatives have stereotyped liberals as anti-business and anti-patriotic. Neither is the case. Michael "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:TmS1c.479999$na.1157858@attbi_s04... Nah, only liberals stick with what they believed in their youth... um... does that make me a liberal? Well, I dunno. I've never met a life-long Republican before. Many (most?) of us started out all starry-eyed, believing that everyone was equal, and that the only reason some folks were paid more than others was because of some amorphous "evil" in the world that held back "the people." "From each, according to his abilities, to each, according to his needs" wasn't just a Communist slogan -- many of us really believed it, and hoped to make it a reality. Those of us who obtained a liberal arts degree in college were REALLY fed this line, and most of us swallowed it, hook, line and sinker. It usually seems to take some true, harsh life experiences before one realizes what a crock of sh*t all that really is. What's that old saying? "A Conservative is a Liberal who has been mugged." -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Saryon" wrote in message ... ... Crawford is 10nm up to 18k when he's not there.... So, should we expect P49 and P67 to 6nm, upto 5000 MSL when he's NOT there. Cheers, John Clonts Temple, TX Currently under TFR 30nm/10nm up to 18k because he "IS" there! |
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"Michael 182" wrote in message news:QJS1c.177934$jk2.656404@attbi_s53... Jay, You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist. I am a life long liberal - I believe that government and industry has a responsibility to help those in need, that the environment needs extensive protecting, that most social programs do enough good to outweigh the inherent waste and transfer costs... The RESPONSIBILITY for those is need is those people themselves. I am also a confirmed capitalist. I built a company with over 300 employees over a 15 year period. I sold it for enough money to enjoy a comfortable retirement in my mid 40's, and started another company last year when I found retirement boring. I've paid pretty extensive taxes - well worth it for the privilege of living in the USA. You're living the the USA is your RIGHT, not a priviledge. For some reason conservatives have stereotyped liberals as anti-business and anti-patriotic. Neither is the case. Well, the evidence is sure strong enough. You may look up George McGovern's quote about the failure of his business after retiring from the Senate -- something about "If I'd known then what I know now, my voting records would have been much different." Tom -- Free marketer/Classical Liberal. |
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"Michael 182" wrote in message news:QJS1c.177934$jk2.656404@attbi_s53... You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist. Modern liberals are socialists. |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... "Michael 182" wrote in message news:QJS1c.177934$jk2.656404@attbi_s53... Jay, You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist. I am a life long liberal - I believe that government and industry has a responsibility to help those in need, that the environment needs extensive protecting, that most social programs do enough good to outweigh the inherent waste and transfer costs... The RESPONSIBILITY for those is need is those people themselves. I respectfully disagree. It is the responsibility of the fortunate to help the less fortunate. Almost everyone believe this to some degree, hence the extensive charitable contribution structure. Perhaps I lean toward more redistribution than you, and different methods. But I don't want to live in a society where we ignore hardship. I am also a confirmed capitalist. I built a company with over 300 employees over a 15 year period. I sold it for enough money to enjoy a comfortable retirement in my mid 40's, and started another company last year when I found retirement boring. I've paid pretty extensive taxes - well worth it for the privilege of living in the USA. You're living the the USA is your RIGHT, not a priviledge. It's both a right and a priviledge. They are not mutually exclusive. For some reason conservatives have stereotyped liberals as anti-business and anti-patriotic. Neither is the case. Well, the evidence is sure strong enough. What evidence? This is the stereotype I was referring to. You may look up George McGovern's quote about the failure of his business after retiring from the Senate -- something about "If I'd known then what I know now, my voting records would have been much different." George McGovern is a great example. He was a patriotic war hero and clearly a liberal. His realization that the governmental burdens on small businesses were too extensive came, unfortunately, too late in his life for his voting to help the problem. I disliked many government intrusions on my business. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. For all the party line about shrinking government, it has expanded dramatically under Republican rule. Conservatives have been no more successful than liberals in streamlining the government/business relationship. Michael |
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Larry Dighera wrote: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:19:33 -0600, CriticalMass wrote in Message-Id: : Larry, For pete's sake (and all the rest of our sakes), give "Baby Bush" a rest - HERE. I wasn't aware that you had been elected spokesman for ALL of rec.aviation.piloting. :-) You've well established your anti-Bush political bias in this ng, and, I imagine, in as many other places as you can. I'm tired of it. Perhaps YOU would like to take _responsibility_ for the content of this newsgroup to which YOU are exposed, and filter out all the phrases and authors YOU find unpalatable. Or are you really just looking for an excuse to attack me publicly. I bet some others are, too. We don't come to this ng to hear about your hate for "Baby Bush". The only time the word 'hate' has been used in this thread (until now) is by you. You can characterize my article as hateful if that is how you perceive it, but the fact is, it's merely FACTUAL. The hate you perceive is yours; please don't project it onto me. Perhaps it is baby Bush's audacious airspace grabs that are TRULY hateful in their arrogant disregard for those he serves. If you think Bush is bad, just you wait until you're introduced to John F Kerry this summer. His block has already been tossed into disarray because of his security, and he's not even President. But then again, what do you expect from somone who actually had the fire hydrant moved in front of his house. John F Kerry. A real man of the people. His Massachusetts democrat buddies Marty Meehan and Ed Markey are already working on federal proposals to severely restrict general aviation, all under the guise of "security." You can bet with every last bottle of red (and green) ketchup that they will find a sympathetic ear in a Kerry White House. |
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This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. For all the party line about
shrinking government, it has expanded dramatically under Republican rule. Conservatives have been no more successful than liberals in streamlining the government/business relationship. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I regard the Republicans as fiscally Conservative. Perhaps they once were -- but they sure aren't anymore. Which is why we desperately need a third party in this country. A fiscally conservative political party, without all the religious baggage, would win in every precinct. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Larry Dighera wrote: On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 03:34:21 GMT, "Michael 182" wrote in Message-Id: 1tx1c.109512$Xp.479440@attbi_s54: While I think President Bush is the worst president we have suffered in my 50 years, and I look forward to the opportunity to work for his opponent this year, he is president, and should be given the courtesy and respect afforded the office. Baby Bush was _declared_ President, not elected. Wrong. Read the constitution, article II, and get back to us when you're clued in. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news9T1c.42536$ko6.377510@attbi_s02... This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. For all the party line about shrinking government, it has expanded dramatically under Republican rule. Conservatives have been no more successful than liberals in streamlining the government/business relationship. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I regard the Republicans as fiscally Conservative. Perhaps they once were -- but they sure aren't anymore. When would that "perhaps" be? Historically? Once past a second term, "all" members of Congress become spendthrifts. Which is why we desperately need a third party in this country. We have a bunch of them; Libertarians (very fiscally conservative, and they got 1/20th the votes of the very UNFISCALLY CONSERVATIVE...), Green party, Perotista's, Buchannenits, A fiscally conservative political party, without all the religious baggage, would win in every precinct. No, they would not. See above. If Madison and Jefferson could be resurrected and run in an election they'd get 5%, even if people knew who they were. If they did manage to win, they'd be out after one term. Until America changes between the ears things will NOT change through the political process. -- "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine |
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