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Landings Carthage, Jackson and Madison MS - Video
Did some short field work over at Carthage (50 foot wide runway by
3000), made a full stop at KJAN and had to taxi to the parallel runway and of course had to return home. At Carthage, thermals from the runway made me float more down the runway then I cared to and it reflected on my landings. Plane just didn't want to sink despite me coming down final as slow as possible. Not sure about others, but I do get a tickle out of me getting "more then one turn" taxi instructions when I land at KJAN. Keep in mind most of my work is at an uncontrolled airport or airports with a taxiway that runs parallel with the runway. Never can understandy why they make the centerline reflectors the size of mount Everest relative to my tiny nosewheel. Anyhooo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSCGKb2ZFw and 8 minutes of your time will have you endure 4 landings at the above mention airports. Allen |
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You are getting a lot of flying in... good for you.. but I tend to chuckle
when you call 3000x50 a short field runway.. or were you just practicing the technique there. Just for fun.. look up 0B8, 1935x40, or 7B3, 2100x170. Even the cross wind runway in AUG is 2700, with cliffs to each end. The airport sits on top of a hill. BT wrote in message ... Did some short field work over at Carthage (50 foot wide runway by 3000), made a full stop at KJAN and had to taxi to the parallel runway and of course had to return home. At Carthage, thermals from the runway made me float more down the runway then I cared to and it reflected on my landings. Plane just didn't want to sink despite me coming down final as slow as possible. Not sure about others, but I do get a tickle out of me getting "more then one turn" taxi instructions when I land at KJAN. Keep in mind most of my work is at an uncontrolled airport or airports with a taxiway that runs parallel with the runway. Never can understandy why they make the centerline reflectors the size of mount Everest relative to my tiny nosewheel. Anyhooo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSCGKb2ZFw and 8 minutes of your time will have you endure 4 landings at the above mention airports. Allen |
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Landings Carthage, Jackson and Madison MS - Video
On Jul 5, 12:18*pm, "BT" wrote:
You are getting a lot of flying in... good for you.. but I tend to chuckle when you call 3000x50 a short field runway.. or were you just practicing the technique there. Just for fun.. look up 0B8, 1935x40, or 7B3, 2100x170. Even the cross wind runway in AUG is 2700, with cliffs to each end. The airport sits on top of a hill. BT Yeah, I figured that somebody would get a chuckle. Short is "relative" especially to the bird one flies. Shortest I have done is 2900 however as you can see in the video, really, distance wasn't that much a factor as I had the plane stopped well before the halfway point. Temp was nearing 90 and density altitude was just over 2100 feet which is unusually high down this way since the field elevation isn't that high. Durn thermals over the runway kept the plane from landing, just didn't want to stop flying even with my airspeed at 55 knots over the numbers. For me, it was more of a practice on the narrow part of the runway as that was the narrowest runway I have landed on and that seem to be a little disconcerting on the peripheral vision aspect of landing. I'd suspect no option of coming up short without getting wet at 0B8 :-)) |
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Landings Carthage, Jackson and Madison MS - Video
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, " wrote: Durn thermals over the runway kept the plane from landing, just didn't want to stop flying even with my airspeed at 55 knots over the numbers. If the airplane is empty, with one on board, re-calculate your speeds based on the actual aircraft weight, not on the max gross weight book values, and fly those speeds. Another trick is to take out one notch of flaps while simultaneously raising (electric flap and trim motors run at the same speed) the nose once you have crossed the threshhold and are in the flair. |
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Landings Carthage, Jackson and Madison MS - Video
On Jul 5, 5:14*pm, John Smith wrote:
In article , " wrote: Durn thermals over the runway kept the plane from landing, just didn't want to stop flying even with my airspeed at 55 knots over the numbers. If the airplane is empty, with one on board, re-calculate your speeds based on the actual aircraft weight, not on the max gross weight book values, and fly those speeds. Another trick is to take out one notch of flaps while simultaneously raising (electric flap and trim motors run at the same speed) the nose once you have crossed the threshhold and are in the flair. FOR ME, I don't like changing the airplane configuration while on short final or in the flare. I fly a BE 23 (Sundowner) and and what you suggest above would require me to reach for the floor for the flap handle. Flaps are manual. Over 50 ft. Obstacle: 1,484 ft. is what I had to deal with since there were power lines on the approach end of the runway. |
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I have time in Beech A23-34, Piper PA-28's and PA-32's, all with manual
flaps. With manual flaps you ease out one notch while simultaneously easing in back yoke to maintain pitch attitude. As I said, you are already past the threshhold and in the flair, the only thing different you are doing from a normal landing is reducing flaps one notch. |
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Landings Carthage, Jackson and Madison MS - Video
On Jul 6, 4:50*am, " wrote:
Did some short field work over at Carthage (50 foot wide runway by 3000), made a full stop at KJAN and had to taxi to the parallel runway and of course had to return home. At Carthage, thermals from the runway made me float more down the runway then I cared to and it reflected on my landings. * Plane just didn't want to sink despite me coming down final as slow as possible. Not sure about others, but I do get a tickle out of me getting "more then one turn" taxi instructions when I land at KJAN. *Keep in mind most of my work is at an uncontrolled airport or airports with a taxiway that runs parallel with the runway. Never can understandy why they make the centerline reflectors the size of mount Everest relative to my tiny nosewheel. Anyhooo,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSCGKb2ZFwand 8 minutes of your time will have you endure 4 landings at the above mention airports. At least one turn onto final was a bit steep. I was taugh that circuit turns should be no more than 30 degrees. Your last short field looked a bit fast -hence the float? I've not flown a sundowder but your nose never seems to get above the end of the runway -is that because the trim with flaps down is very level? Cheers |
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Landings Carthage, Jackson and Madison MS - Video
On Jul 5, 6:47*pm, More_Flaps wrote:
At least one turn onto final was a bit steep. I was taugh that circuit turns should be no more than 30 degrees. * Assuming the last landing at KMBO you are talking about, yeah, I think you are right, I kinda overshot final and the turn was a bit over 30 degree bank. In the video, I figure if the horizon hits the upper corner it would be a 45 degree bank? Your last short field looked a bit fast -hence the float? I've not flown a sundowder but your nose never seems to get above the end of the runway -is that because the trim with flaps down is very level? Couple of thoughts. First the camera is wedge on the glareshield as close as to the windscreen I can get it. I have a binder that I put behind the camera so it doesn't shift. The camera tilts slightly down due to the slope of the glareshield which makes me think this is the reason why the nose never gets above the end of the runway. Clearly in some of the videos, you hear the mains touch and then the nose. Regarding the speed, two thoughts as I really thought I held final approach right at 55 knots. One thought is that the narrow runway I think makes it feel like you are coming in faster. Second, even though I was doing 55 knots, with the near 90F temps, density altitude was 2000 which I believe would make my ground speed faster???? The Sundowner, when you deploy flaps, pitches the nose down, so to conteract that, I trim pretty aggressive so my airspeed doesn't build. Big ole stabilator on the tail feather does wonder! |
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On Jul 5, 5:39*pm, B A R R Y wrote:
Since I have the same plane, the thought that crossed my mind involved accidentally dumping all the flaps. *8^( For the kind of flying I do, I absolutely agree with you. Sundowner just "ain't a Cub" and I don't have that burning desire to shoe horn a landing on a short runway. When practicing stall recovery, I have accidentally dumped all the flaps when trying to pull 'em in a notch. *It's not something I'd want to do @ 50 ft. AGL while doing everything else that goes with that point in the landing. Same happened to me, and crossing the numbers, my right hand never leaves the throttle. For me, it's too distracting to reach down, set flaps and then reach back for the throttle. Yeah, I know what John sez can be done, and probably done safely, but I like the KISS method and have a stable approach from final to terra firma with one setting and one setting only whether it be an ILS with one notch of flaps or a VFR approach with three. Xwinds, depending on the winds, if it's gusty or above 10 knots, one notch of flaps. |
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