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Old November 7th 07, 01:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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We would have to say that this particular accident was a breakdown in
communications in three ways-

First there was a storm coming up from the Southwest similar to Noel
hitting the Northeast over this past weekend. JFK was landing on the
22's . We were a PAA flight approaching from the Southwest
with a BOS alternate . This was a Sunday night if memory serves and we
held over ACY for a one 1 hour plus on our 10 mile legs. Avianca began
making comments about fuel, fuel. , no response from New York. This
was the second breakdown, non-standard communication about their fuel
situation, ATC needed to hear "Crit fuel, or fuel emergency" in order
to get a response sometimes, we were stacked right above them . We
attempted to communicate that an aircraft holding above us might have
a possible fuel problem however that notion was acknowledged and we
were facing a fuel problem of our own, or how long can we hold here
before screwing to BOS we asked the dispatcher? (We had worked this
out previuosly since the Bornman software at the time could not).

Finally getting routed for the ILS 22 at JFK the ceiling had dropped
and the wind picked up, Avianca missed the approach
right in front of us so we were like "Jeez" how low can you go with a
****ty ride like this since, an ordinary approach in 100 and 1/2
usually gives a fairly calm wind condition and a decent. At any rate
we landed no worries however 002 crashed behind us. Avianca's
off-airport landing closed JFK for an hour or so, we did however get
to Boston.

There is a fourth part to this: Do not crash in John McEnroe's
driveway.




n Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:56:33 GMT, "Mike Isaksen"
wrote:


"Ned" wrote in message ...
Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007


I would include the Avianca (ran out of gas) crash in Long Island, NY in the
list. Seems like there was a major rework to the ARTCC traffic desks, and an
explosion of procedural "gate holds", to prevent extended enroute holds.
That's my walkaway from that event.


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Old March 30th 10, 11:40 PM
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Of all the flights listed Air Canada 797 in 1983 was the only one where I felt a deep personal loss with the death of folk singer Stan Rogers. My interest did not end there.

Back in the early 1980s I provided childcare for a man who worked for the Airline Pilots Association. I was there when he came home the day after the fire aboard Air Canada 797 on 2 June, 1983. He was saying even then that the fire was a major event in recent aviation, and that it proved things that the pilots had been saying all along.

One issue at the time was that airlines wanted to remove "redundant equipment" in favor of the latest automation. Then the Air Canada pilot was left with a compass, a level and a radio -- all primitive devices that proved essential to getting the plane on the ground.

Another issue was the matter of Reagan firing all the air traffic controllers who had gone on strike a year or so before. The man who talked Air Canada 797 out of the sky was one of the few who had not gone on strike and had not been fired. The pilots said that Reagan's "fit of peak" was leaving the flying public endangered. This one accident proved their point to the tragic loss of 23 lives.

Later on the issues of that fire would force airlines to refit planes with less combustible less toxic materials, as well as to fit planes with smoke detectors in the lavvie, better trained staff, and contributed to the end of smoking on aircraft.
 




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