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Old January 20th 04, 02:06 PM
Kevin Brooks
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"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message
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Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that
description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our
troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical
WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and
it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired.


Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the
birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and
bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted
beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and
want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you
are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few
feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a
*permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the
woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the
end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and
thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at
the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much
less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry...

Brooks

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Old January 20th 04, 02:23 PM
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In t,
Kevin Brooks radiated into the WorldWideWait:
"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message
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snip

Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that
description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our
troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit
medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and
mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room
until he retired.


Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot
of the birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen
when lawyers and bureaucrats get together, the intent of the
protective laws has been twisted beyond reason. Find an owl from
the list that has been killed by a car and want to preserve it? You
may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you are a fly
fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few
feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually
need a *permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have
picked up in the woods (there was a court case involving just that
here in Virginia--in the end the defendent was able to show he was
"descended from the Iroquois" (and thus his possession was covered
by a claim of religious freedom) and won at the federal appelate
level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much less that
he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry...


Don't forget the imbecility that only "certified" Indigenous American
Aborigines may legally have eagle feathers in their possession.


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Old January 20th 04, 03:09 PM
Peter Skelton
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:06:16 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
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"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message
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snip


Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that
description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our
troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical
WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and
it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired.


Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the
birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and
bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted
beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and
want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you
are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few
feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a
*permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the
woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the
end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and
thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at
the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much
less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry...

We have conditional and absolute discharge, ie. the court saying
don't do it again, and don't bug us with this trivia respectively
to deal with this sort of sillyness. Isn't there something
similar in the states? Life can get a bit unpleasant for a judge
who lets things get tied up with too much effort for too little
crime.

It's not perfect but it helps

Peter Skelton
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Old January 20th 04, 09:44 PM
Andrew Chaplin
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Kevin Brooks wrote:

Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the
birds of prey are protected here.


All raptors/accipters are protected here too. If I remember correctly
he did get a permit to have the hawk stuffed (otherwise the
taxidermist would not have touched it). That wasn't a problem because
CF Range Control Officers are ex officio game wardens, and the
incident was duly reported to the local RCO.
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Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
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Old January 20th 04, 04:11 AM
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Here's some bird and ice impacts for you.
One of my cadet classmates flying a Piper PA18 in primary at Hondo
Texas hit a hawk - it came right through the windshield, alive and
clawing. He wrung its neck and threw it into the rear. He still has a
scar on his cheek.
When I was at Homestead AFB 76-80 we had three buzzard strikes at Avon
Park Range. Two hit the airframe and one hit the left quarter panel of
the windshield. All strikes were when the F4s were doing 500K on low
level weapons deliveries. The airframe strikes penetrated the fuselage
skin around the intakes but no serious damage (other than a hole) was
done. The windshield strike filled the cockpit with buzzard pieces and
guts and disabled the front seater as most of the buzzard hit his
shoulder. The rear seater was a pilot and landed the F4 at Avon park
making an arrested engagement so the front seater could get immediate
medical attention. He was dazed and his shoulder was severely bruised
and he was half-nauseated from the buzzard guts but he recoverd
quickly. A maintenance crew came up and repaired the F4 and another
crew flew it back home.
I was with Air Florida when one of our DC9s lunched an engine. 'Blue
ice' from a leaking forward lavatory drain finally broke loose and the
airflow carried it up over the wing and right into the engine intake.
JT8Ds don't like large lumps of ice, regardless of color. BTW had
anyone else noted the tabloids don;t carry stories about 'blue ice'
from alien space any more?
Walt BJ
 




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