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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:27:29 +0100, "William Black"
wrote: "Big boy's game, big boy's rules"... Unfortunately for you the UK is no longer in the Big Boys League. It is not that influential in EU circles even. India is not big league. The US, because of its size, will always be in the top league. But with their political and military establishments in disarray not an effective one. |
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote: Listen "Who Flung Poo", we are talking about murderously criminal building practices in _Communist China_! Do try to keep on track. Aw quit your carping and dry your crocodile tears. Do something useful. Go start a defense fund to help those poor Chinese parents who lost their chil]dren. That will give you a concrete means (pun intended) to get at those corrupt chicom school criminal contractors you hate so much. With more than 300 schools destoryed you can hardly miss finding one to get them corrupt commies on. Do it now and do it quick and you may even have time to watch the show "Bush 'Plans Iran Air Strike by August'" in case you don't know that is the track you really should be on. |
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:58:48 -0700, (JJS)
wrote: In article , wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:52:00 -0700, (JJS) wrote: SNIP Well there's the problem. The large immigration of Chinese to Tibet could be considered a threat by the local Tibetan population. They might argue that the first pick goes to the Chinese or those Tibetans loyal to the Chinese rather than the general population. At least that's how it usually works in the rest of the world. The real problem here is finding enough qualified Tibetans. Those qualifed will have no problem finding employment. You still need at least a high school equivalency to work in a white collar job. To a Han Tibet is a hardship post. But if that's where the jobs are they'll come, earn what they came to earn and then go east after a few years. The jobs will always be available for qualified Tibetans. As for manual jobs the Han immigrants are paid as poorly as Tibetans. And there is a problem of language to manage a Tibetan work crew. Hmmm, the Tibetan language being a problem in Tibet is a problem? I fear that their culture is surely doomed. Han and non Tibetans rarely if ever learn Tibetan. There is no money in it. Outside the Buddhist tracts there is no great Tibetan literature. Buddhism you can learn from other mainstream languages. Tibetan culture has meaning only to Tibetans and to "good only for two days" tourists. It is brutal and it is Darwinian. Tibetan culture as a way of life is doomed. It will survive only as tourist curiosities and in the occassional lost valley too remote for modern infrastructure to reach. In any case these are dead end jobs. The only solution is for Tibetans to acquire employable skills. True. But the Tibetans must also have the attitude, aptitude and the ability to take advantage of these opportunities. I know this is where the "whether they want it or not" comes in. To quit with barely a grade 6 education with no (Chinese majority or foreign) language skills dooms one to making a living off equally disadvantaged fellow Tibetans. (Being a monk inures one to life's hardships but is quite useless for making a living.) I agree but when does it become someone else¹s choice (non-Tibetan) that they change the way they live their life? I'm not saying that the local population had a better life style before the Chinese decided to improve things. I'm just wondering who gets to decide what happens in Tibet. Beijing of course. How many times do you have to be reminded of that. If you have a viable alternative do let the world know. You will have Tibetans and Beijing whispering your name in gratitude. Do read the May National Geographic special issue on China. See the vast deserts. See the poverty and backwardness in marginal farmlands. Due to global climate change Tibet is drying up and farming and herding can no longer sustain a livelihood. The world is changing and their old style of life has disappeared forever whether they like it or not. The question then is can they adapt to the new life that has been forced upon them by nature. I've never argued that their life isn't changing I've been asking who gets to and who should decide how it changes. I think we agree that it isn't the people of Tibet. Once more with feeling. Beijing of course. How many times do you have to be reminded of that. If you have a viable alternative do let the world know. You will have Tibetans and Beijing whispering your name in gratitude. Now had Beijing left Tibet alone to muddle along with Tibetans left to their own devices there would be a real outcry that Beijing was practising genocide. Life would be very harsh for Tibetans and life expectancy in the low 40s with live births in appalling low numbers. So Beijing muddles along too but on a higher economic plane until some solution presents itself. At least the Tibetans aren't dying like flies. Turn to page 74-75 a double spread showing Tibetan youths and government housing in the background built to house Tibetans displaced by climate change. The caption suggests that the Tibetan youths are visitors. Those Tibetans resettled in these new towns receive government subsidies enough to get by on. But they are bored out of their frigging minds because of lack of suitable employment. They are pastoral people not urbanites. In this sheltered environment Tibetan culture cannot thrive because it is out of context with their traditional way of life. By the same context no amount of government funding or support will keep alive Tibetan culture as a way of life. Change is not an option. It is a relentless certainty. Do take a look at the Tibetan youths again and compare them with the Han in other pages. They look differerent enough that without my dwelling on it you can see they will have a problem getting hired. Is racism a problem in China? NO. In the whole of China's long history no minority people had ever posed a threat to a Han's livelihood. The minorities were always poorer off for any Han to develop feelings of jealousy or insecurity. Their numbers (the minority groups) were never large enough to impact on any aspect of Chinese society. Fear and loathing for a non Han therefore never arose. But tribal prejudice is alive and well between Han provincials and dialect groups. But that's another story all together. I have deleted the rest of my rant as I have no alternative or optimistic solutions for Tibetan problems in a fast changing world. No amount of good intentions or pablum slogans on your part nor on the Chinese side will solve anything. Don't get me wrong they are living in a time of change that will most likely turn their world upside down. I'm merely pointing out that there isn't only one way for this change to take place. What I see happening is a government that isn't concerned on what is best for Tibet. But I don't see a practical solution to the situation. So let's agree that the Tibetans are going to get screwed. Joe The New Town Settlements encapsulate all that is unhappy and intractable with the Tibetan problem. Its pretty obvious that building larger houses and giving them a bigger stipend will solve nothing. It maye make the situation worse by removing all incentive for them to make it in the modern world. Tibetans are not going to get screwed. They are already screwed. They are screwed by pinning their hopes on independence (a non starter), on religion and on the return of the lama system. Their salvation is to develop an economically viable way of life in modern society not regress to blind hopes. A full belly is the means to fulfill many hopes. This is also the reason why the Dalai Lama does not want to return to Tibet. There's nothing he can do for he has neither the funds nor the organization nor the solutions economic and cultural to meet their needs. While he stays outside and does his thing he gets treated like a head of state and receives very generous funding from well meaning donors and from governments wishing to destabilize China. Thus every time China agrees to talks, whenever these talks seem like moving forward, the DL will say something undiplomatic to sabotage them. That's very acceptable to China for the DL remains outside China and it doesn't cost China a single penny to keep the DL out. You guys are being manipulated by the DL and you didn't recognize it. |
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In , PaPaPeng
wrote: On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:58:48 -0700, (JJS) wrote: In article , wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:52:00 -0700, (JJS) wrote: Well there's the problem. The large immigration of Chinese to Tibet could be considered a threat by the local Tibetan population. They might argue that the first pick goes to the Chinese or those Tibetans loyal to the Chinese rather than the general population. At least that's how it usually works in the rest of the world. The real problem here is finding enough qualified Tibetans. Those qualifed will have no problem finding employment. You still need at least a high school equivalency to work in a white collar job. To a Han Tibet is a hardship post. But if that's where the jobs are they'll come, earn what they came to earn and then go east after a few years. The jobs will always be available for qualified Tibetans. As for manual jobs the Han immigrants are paid as poorly as Tibetans. And there is a problem of language to manage a Tibetan work crew. Hmmm, the Tibetan language being a problem in Tibet is a problem? I fear that their culture is surely doomed. Han and non Tibetans rarely if ever learn Tibetan. Their loss. Learning another language is never a waste. There is no money in it. One does not learn another language merely because there is "money in it". Outside the Buddhist tracts there is no great Tibetan literature. Buddhism you can learn from other mainstream languages. Buddhism isn't rooted in Tibet so your point is meaningless. Tibetan culture has meaning only to Tibetans and to "good only for two days" tourists. It is brutal and it is Darwinian. You are entitled to your opinion. I seriously doubt many, if any, Tibetans will agree with your assessment. Tibetan culture as a way of life is doomed. It will survive only as tourist curiosities and in the occassional lost valley too remote for modern infrastructure to reach. And the Chinese government is doing everything it can to fulfill your dream. I agree but when does it become someone else¹s choice (non-Tibetan) that they change the way they live their life? I'm not saying that the local population had a better life style before the Chinese decided to improve things. I'm just wondering who gets to decide what happens in Tibet. Beijing of course. How many times do you have to be reminded of that. If you have a viable alternative do let the world know. You will have Tibetans and Beijing whispering your name in gratitude. How about leaving and letting the Tibetans do it. Now had Beijing left Tibet alone to muddle along with Tibetans left to their own devices there would be a real outcry that Beijing was practising genocide. You have a crystal ball? Tarot cards? Informative tea leaves? Or is it just a need to justify an unwarranted takeover of a completely peaceful country that posed absolutely no threat to anyone? Life would be very harsh for Tibetans and life expectancy in the low 40s with live births in appalling low numbers. Now THAT's the PRC party line we've all come to know. You serve it up quite well. So Beijing muddles along too but on a higher economic plane until some solution presents itself. At least the Tibetans aren't dying like flies. Flies are free. |
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