I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

Matt Barrow wrote:

Three years ago I bought (for cash) an B36TC ("Pre-owned") and the broker
damn near gave me a BJ just to go up with him.

Brokers are a different story than the manufacturers. They're just
flying someone elses aircraft (and frequently at the sellers expense).
The broker I purchased the Navion through was more than happy to let
me fly it. He didn't even want to be in the right seat (I had brought
along an instructor of my own).

Why don't you just go rent one for an hour or two? Piper and
Cirrus rentals shouldn't be too hard to find. A Tiger might
take a little more leg work. Renting with a CFI has the added
advantage of counting the time toward "time in type" that your
insurer will inevitably require.

Where I train there are a few Cirrus' and no New Pipers or Tigers. Cirrus
has a presence because of their successful shares program but I'd need to
hook up with the share owners to rent. Not likely.



"Ross Oliver" wrote in message
...

Why don't you just go rent one for an hour or two? Piper and
Cirrus rentals shouldn't be too hard to find. A Tiger might
take a little more leg work. Renting with a CFI has the added
advantage of counting the time toward "time in type" that your
insurer will inevitably require.

When I was in the market for an aircraft, I flew (airline) from
San Jose, CA to New Mexico to test fly one potential aircraft, and
to Florida to test fly another. If you're really serious, distance
is not an issue ;-) If you were to simply show up at the Piper,
Tiger, or Cirrus factory, I'm sure they would consider you a worthy
enough prospect to justify a demo flight.

Alternatively, West Valley Flying Club @ PAO/SQL/HWD has nine (count 'em NINE)
Cirrus, 2 2000 Piper Archers, and a '79 Tiger for rent. For good
measure, there is also a Diamond DA-40 for rent @ SQL at another FBO.
And the December weather in here in Norcal is wonderful ;-)


On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:40:25 GMT, T.Roger wrote:
Where I train there are a few Cirrus' and no New Pipers or Tigers. Cirrus
has a presence because of their successful shares program but I'd need to
hook up with the share owners to rent. Not likely.

Ross Oliver wrote:
Why don't you just go rent one for an hour or two? Piper and
Cirrus rentals shouldn't be too hard to find. A Tiger might
take a little more leg work. Renting with a CFI has the added
advantage of counting the time toward "time in type" that your
insurer will inevitably require.

Old Pipers aren't hard to find. New Pipers probably can be done.
I can think of only one operation around here that has a Cirrus
for rent, and it's not really set up all that well for the casual
walk in.

If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the
test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy.
They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some
cash.

Which Cirrus were you thinking of?
It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000
hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and
watch

Tony



In article ,
"T.Roger" wrote:

I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

T.Roger-

I've spent a lot of time in a new Tiger over the past few months, and would
be glad to set up a demo ride if you're in the Palm Beach area this winter.
Give me a call during business hours at 561.478.1098. I've only been in a
Cirrus SR22 once, and it's a trip, but very difficult to insure without
advanced ratings (expect close to $10,000 per year for ins.). The 180HP
Cessna is nice, but my vote is on the Tiger. Not only is it a ton of fun to
fly, it looks very tight and sporty, unlike the 'stationwagon in the air'
....

I have a bunch of photos and some contact info available online at:
http://palmbeachphoto.com/tiger/

The next aircraft that's available is January 05, but your deposit qualifies
you for the tax break, as long as you make the purchase in 2004.

Regards,
Marty from Sunny South Florida
ps. where are you located ?


"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-CDC431.19293301122004@shawnews...
If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the
test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy.
They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some
cash.

Which Cirrus were you thinking of?
It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000
hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and
watch

Tony



In article ,
"T.Roger" wrote:

I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want
to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going
to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if
I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want
me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

I'll be at my vacation home in the Ft. Meyers area but not much before
year-end, too late to place an order for the tax break. Thanks for
offering.



"Marty from Sunny Florida" wrote in message
.. .
T.Roger-

I've spent a lot of time in a new Tiger over the past few months, and
would
be glad to set up a demo ride if you're in the Palm Beach area this
winter.
Give me a call during business hours at 561.478.1098. I've only been in a
Cirrus SR22 once, and it's a trip, but very difficult to insure without
advanced ratings (expect close to $10,000 per year for ins.). The 180HP
Cessna is nice, but my vote is on the Tiger. Not only is it a ton of fun
to
fly, it looks very tight and sporty, unlike the 'stationwagon in the air'
...

I have a bunch of photos and some contact info available online at:
http://palmbeachphoto.com/tiger/

The next aircraft that's available is January 05, but your deposit
qualifies
you for the tax break, as long as you make the purchase in 2004.

Regards,
Marty from Sunny South Florida
ps. where are you located ?


"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-CDC431.19293301122004@shawnews...
If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the
test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy.
They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some
cash.

Which Cirrus were you thinking of?
It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000
hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and
watch

Tony



In article ,
"T.Roger" wrote:

I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want
to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the
tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want
to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going
to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if
I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want
me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

"Marty from Sunny Florida" wrote in message
news:grwrd.15069

The 180HP Cessna is nice, but my vote is on the Tiger. Not only is it a ton
of fun to
fly, it looks very tight and sporty, unlike the 'stationwagon in the air'

Having flown both myself, I agree. The 180HP 172 is like flying a sedan.
The Tiger is much sportier.

-c

Ah, but the glass, the interior and the parachute!!!



"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-CDC431.19293301122004@shawnews...
If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the
test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy.
They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some
cash.

Which Cirrus were you thinking of?
It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000
hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and
watch

Tony



In article ,
"T.Roger" wrote:

I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going
to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if
I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want
me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE