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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news JohnT writes: But you haven't been further than La Défense in the past 2 years except in Flight Simulator. I haven't been to Mount Everest, but I know it's a tough mountain to climb. That's one of the consequences of education. You may (or may not) have received a wonderful education but you have never said anything during a NG discussion which leads me to think that you have actually learned anything about anything. -- JohnT |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose dangerfor air travel (CNN)
Mxsmanic wrote:
El Maximo writes: How about those 1040 instructions printed in Spanish, or did you forget to file (again)? The United States is also only a small fraction of the world, and it has an obsession with political correctness and a substantial minority of Spanish speakers that most nations do not share. The odd thing is that most people in the U.S. who can speak only Spanish are illiterate in both English _and_ Spanish. Do you have a source that you can cite for this, or did you just make it up? |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
Mxsmanic wrote in
: CNN's Web page has a video segment from The Situation Room that describes the serious problems with international pilots who cannot speak English well enough to communicate with air traffic control. They provide a recording of communications with Air China flight 981 in April in which the pilot has no idea what the controller is saying and the controller's frustration continues to build as his instructions are not followed. (This same recording has been circulating in aviation forums for months.) Air China says that it was the controller's fault for not speaking "standard" English, but the recording makes it clear that the pilots simply couldn't speak or understand at all. Several Chinese pilots and officials are interviewed; all are provided with subtitles (even though they are nominally speaking English) because their English is unintelligible. One pilot who supposedly passed an English test that will soon become mandatory is asked if he has ever had problems, and his response, in extremely broken English, is also unintelligible. And he's one of the pilots who passed? It's a rather alarming report. Controllers have known about the problem for years but nothing has ever been done. Bull**** Bertie |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On Jun 29, 5:07 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
In a previous article, C J Campbell said: What is interesting is that in Mexico and parts of South America, the controllers speak Spanish with local (or domestic) flights, and english with international flights. They do at the major airports. Get off the beaten track and you might find a controller that does not speak English. Also, there is no guarantee that the local commandant will speak English when you land at some of the smaller airports. Fortunately, he usually has a jeep and can take you to somebody who does speak English. At gunpoint, possibly. -- Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/ If you had the chance of making the amount of pain your lusers had to suffer dependent on the number of windows on their screens, you would seize the opportunity, wouldn't you? -- Abigail I was gonna say "For a fee..." but it amounts to the same thing I guess. Jay B |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:
Chinese is a special case because the spoken versions of Chinese are mutually incomprehensible; they are completely different. At the same time, the written versions are generally coherent. So one Chinese person may have no idea what another Chinese person is saying, but he will immediately understand if they communicate in writing on a piece of paper. Actually, it's not a special case, and it's not soley because they use a symbolic written language. I have a Lebanese friend who can read Arabic newspapers from around the Arab world, but he says he can understand spoken Arabic from Syrians and Iraqis, but not from Egyptians or anybody further away because the pronunciation drift around the Med. -- Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/ "Mission Control clears SMS-1 to Canaveral via thrust vectors, Up, Hold Earth, right turns, expect further clearance in ten days." http://www.avweb.com/news/usedacft/181561-1.html |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
"NotABushSupporter" wrote in message . .. Robert M. Gary wrote: Actually in my travels around the world on business I've never found a country where I couldn't find an English speaker. All you need to do is find someone under the age of 15. I would guess that 75% of the world's population under the age of 15 speaks some English (especially in Asia ,South America, and Europe). In parts of the US, you wouldn't be able to find 75 percent of the population under 15 speaking English. If you believe that 75 percent of the world's population under 15 speak English, you haven't traveled enough. While our definitions of "English" mat vary, otherwise your statement is hogwash. Even here in Central Texas, with more than our share of "illegals", and a 25% Hispanic population, there are very few illegals under 15. In Laredo, with a 97% Hispanic population, kids are "workably" bilingual, and in San Antonio, 60% Hispanic, the choice of language varies with the location and nature of the conversation. One of the great cultural crises of the moment involves complaints by older Mexican Americans that too few of their kids/grandkids speak Spanish (or speak it well). The same kids I hear almost daily conversing in "Spanglish" are usually quite able to speak English (although often one might question their literacy levels. Perhaps they simply don't want to speak English to/with you...... About the only non-English speakers I encounter are very elderly or recently arrived illegals, many of whom cling to the "No spik Ingles" defense long after being able to understand the language (or the marketplace versions, "Spanglish" and "Post Hole Spanish"). TMO |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:39:21 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: According to the news segment on CNN, the new test is verbal. Most tests are, unless they are intended for folks who can't read. (Putting round pegs into round holes would be non-verbal. Checking off "round hole" to the question "which hole does this peg go into?" is verbal.) But perhaps you meant "oral"? Blue skies! -- Dan Ford Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942 forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because you lost the bloody war." My son-in-law (who is English) tells this story: A German in an AWACS over Afghanistan picks up a call from a boat in the Bay of Bengal: "I'm sinking! I'm sinking!" To which the controller replied in an interested voice: "And vat are you sinking about?" Blue skies! -- Dan Ford Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942 forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:18:54 -0000, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote: Actually in my travels around the world on business I've never found a country where I couldn't find an English speaker. All you need to do is find someone under the age of 15. I would guess that 75% of the world's population under the age of 15 speaks some English (especially in Asia ,South America, and Europe). When I walked down the street in Kunming, I was of course the object of great curiosity. These little round dolls on recess would crowd up against the wrought-iron fence and shout at me: "Hello Hello Hello!" I would turn to them and reply: "Hello." Whereupon they almost fainted away. My God, it worked! I spoke English to the big-nose and he spoke English right back! I reckon they were eight years old. All girls. (Maybe they teach Spanish to the boys?) Blue skies! -- Dan Ford Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942 forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:13:48 -0500, "TMOliver"
wrote: Perhaps they simply don't want to speak English to/with you...... There's a lot of that going on. I was stationed in France when I was in the army, and it was my impression that most Parisians preferred to oblige the foreigner to speak French even if they were fluent in it. In Saigon some years ago I fell into conversation with Andre Le Bon, a one-legged war correspondent. (He left the other leg at Dienbienphu.) We had these excruciating (for me and I suspect for him) talks about military strategy on the part of the French and on the part of the Americans. If I couldn't think of the French phrase, I'd said it in English: "Regimental Combat Team" and Andre would supply "Groupe Mobile" and we would rattle on till the next crisis. Clearly his English was far better than my French, but we never spoke English. After I graduated from college, I chased a girl to Montreal and hung around there for a week. If I asked a question in French, the other person invariably answered in English. But some years later I went back and I found the situation had reversed: if I asked a question in English, the other person invariably answered in French. (I.e., Montrealers had become Parisians.) Blue skies! -- Dan Ford Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942 forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com |
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