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It only takes one...
This evening, one careless, clueless, oblivious, inattentive (choose one)
pilot made a shambles of the pattern at my home field for 10 minutes. It was 20 minutes before dusk and the flock was returning home - there were aircraft in the pattern and at least 3 inbound. A guy (in a Cessna) announced a midfield crossover entry into the pattern for a touch and go, but indicated that he'd have to extend his downwind because he was 500' above pattern altitude. Fair enough, I thought - the guy is gonna fly a normal downwind + 1/2 mile. Long story short, the guy flew a normal downwind plus 2.5 miles, and his downwind was literally a mile wide to boot... So the airplane behind him (another Cessna) had to fly the same B-52 pattern, the Grumman behind *him* had to fly a B-47 pattern, and I followed with a B-29 pattern. Two inbound aircraft recognized that the traffic pattern was a mess and opted to do loiter outside the pattern to let things correct themselves. Then the original Cessna flying doofus flew an abbreviated upwind and crosswind after his touch and go and cut off the folks who had loitered waiting for everything to sort itself out. Aargh! I don't think I'll ever understand this type of pilot... The question in my mind was... Did the Cessna flying doofus even realize that A) he was flying a dumb and dangerous pattern, being outside of gliding range from the field, or that B) he caused a bad chain reaction in the pattern.?? As I said: It only takes one. |
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It only takes one...
"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
Long story short, the guy flew a normal downwind plus 2.5 miles, and his downwind was literally a mile wide to boot... ... The question in my mind was... Did the Cessna flying doofus even realize that A) he was flying a dumb and dangerous pattern, being outside of gliding range from the field, or that B) he caused a bad chain reaction in the pattern.?? What kind of Cessna? 150? 182? 206? Caravan? My point is the higher performance the plane, the larger the pattern. I wasn't there, so I'll take your word the pattern was wider than it needed to be. Still, I consider "gliding range in the pattern" a goal, not a rule with a "dumb" label applied to violators. Even if he was wide and long, why did you guys let it affect your pattern? You could've entered slow flight and/or used shallow S-turns, for instance, to eat time. My real point is "flying doofi" will always show themselves at the pattern (and elsewhere). The only thing we control is our reaction to them. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://openspf.org ____________________ |
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It only takes one...
"John T" wrote in message m... "Kyle Boatright" wrote in message Long story short, the guy flew a normal downwind plus 2.5 miles, and his downwind was literally a mile wide to boot... ... The question in my mind was... Did the Cessna flying doofus even realize that A) he was flying a dumb and dangerous pattern, being outside of gliding range from the field, or that B) he caused a bad chain reaction in the pattern.?? What kind of Cessna? 150? 182? 206? Caravan? My point is the higher performance the plane, the larger the pattern. I wasn't there, so I'll take your word the pattern was wider than it needed to be. Still, I consider "gliding range in the pattern" a goal, not a rule with a "dumb" label applied to violators. The guy was flying a 172, and turning 500 extra feet of altitude into a 3x sized pattern put him and everyone behind him at increased risk. Even if he was wide and long, why did you guys let it affect your pattern? You could've entered slow flight and/or used shallow S-turns, for instance, to eat time. You saw the part where each successive airplane flew a smaller pattern? There is only so much you can do when the origial spacing is 3/4 mile (?) or thereabouts. Airplane one (a Cessna) flew the downwind at 75 knots, airplane two (another Cessna) could comfortably slow to 65, airplane three ( a Grumman) probably needed 70 or 75 knots to be happy, and I was OK at 65 knots. My real point is "flying doofi" will always show themselves at the pattern (and elsewhere). The only thing we control is our reaction to them. You're right, but the problem with flying doofi is that we (you, I, and everyone else) *expect* other pilots to act in a "normal" manner. If a guy radios that he's gonna extend his downwind, we understand. But nobody expects a downwind extended by 2 miles. I'm sure everyone in tonight's pattern expected the guy to turn base ANY SECOND once he was a half mile beyond the normal pattern, and as the downwind extended and extended, I'd bet everyone behind the first guy was wondering.... What the heck is that guy doing??? -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://openspf.org ____________________ |
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It only takes one...
Kyle Boatright wrote:
You're right, but the problem with flying doofi is that we (you, I, and everyone else) *expect* other pilots to act in a "normal" manner. If a guy radios that he's gonna extend his downwind, we understand. But nobody expects a downwind extended by 2 miles. I'm sure everyone in tonight's pattern expected the guy to turn base ANY SECOND once he was a half mile beyond the normal pattern, and as the downwind extended and extended, I'd bet everyone behind the first guy was wondering.... What the heck is that guy doing??? Oh man that would suck. I could totally see myself following someone that perhaps decided to abandon his plans and depart on the downwind and not announce his intentions. Merrily flying along wondering what the hell am I doing here??? |
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It only takes one...
On May 1, 7:13 pm, "John T" wrote:
My real point is "flying doofi" will always show themselves at the pattern (and elsewhere). The only thing we control is our reaction to them. -- John Thttp://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework:http://openspf.org ____________________ Ah, what the heck. He may have been new, and not really realized the distances and effects he was having. Or, he just did what he was taught. I'm glad to say I've never screwed up in a pattern. (snicker. I screwed it up so bad I turned 180, changed my callsign and came back later.) (No, actually, I didn't change my callsign. But I think they're still looking for me...) I guess the more important thing isn't what HE did, because HE will always be out there. The important thing is how you/we respond to the unexpected. |
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It only takes one...
I correctly made radio calls of RIGHT downwind, RIGHT base, and final. G I've been ribbed enough about it that it no longer counts! Barry, I frequently fly RH pattern to the unused cross wind runway.. Of course I announce my intentions and keep a sharp eye for anyone that might get confused by me... But this IS an uncontrolled airport... Training maneuvers and practicing emergency procedures is legal... No one ribs me about it they don't even mention it... denny |
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It only takes one...
Denny wrote:
I correctly made radio calls of RIGHT downwind, RIGHT base, and final. G I've been ribbed enough about it that it no longer counts! Barry, I frequently fly RH pattern to the unused cross wind runway.. Understood. I did it to the in-use runway at an uncontrolled field, with other guys in the published pattern. They took it in stride, and spaced me right in. What I did still deserved a "poke" or two, because of the intentions involved. G |
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It only takes one...
Kyle Boatright wrote:
This evening, one careless, clueless, oblivious, inattentive (choose one) pilot made a shambles of the pattern at my home field for 10 minutes. We shall term this the "McNicoll effect", for while being entirely within the bounds of the law, was being a complete ass and mucking it up for the rest of us. Which, of course, means that he wasn't a danger at all and how dare you question his piloting ability based on his obviously legal performance (sub-quote, you ugly tit). Sorry, can't resist. --- It sounds as though everyone else had the forethought to do the right thing, however I am concerned about the progression of the patterns. Shouldn't it be just about Global Hawk-sized by now, if indeed it kept on the same decay curve? TheSmokingGnu |
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It only takes one...
We shall term this the "McNicoll effect", for while being entirely
within the bounds of the law, was being a complete ass and mucking it up for the rest of us. Excellent. Well done. Actually, I think you are really on to something here. This newly coined phenomenon could explain much about what happens in the air -- and on the ground. In fact, this "McNicoll Effect" just might explain everything that is wrong with our society -- and even the world! There is so much of this sort of thing going on -- often completely unexplained -- that some sort of a blanket explanation was just begging to be discovered. And you did it! Dang, Gnu, you may have just tipped the sociological and political world on its ear today -- good show! :-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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