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"Greg Esres" wrote in message ... Agreed, but the *pilot* must know when he's established on a segment of the approach. The pilot should practice the fine art of navigation. I'm not questioning the clearance, but I'm questioning whether the pilot should rely on ATC's interpretation of what it means to be established. If the pilot doesn't know what it means to be established he shouldn't be flying IFR. No, they descended to published altitudes BEFORE they reached the point where those altitudes applied. They were not on a "black line". How does that differ from what I wrote? You can review the incident he http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/sp9806.html I don't have a copy of the VOR/DME RWY 12 approach from 1974, but the transcript has the pilot referring to a step-down fix on it. Capt: "You know, according to this dumb sheet [referring to the instrument approach chart] it says thirty-four hundred to Round Hill--is our minimum altitude." The FE asked where the captain saw that, and the captain replied, "Well, here. Round Hill is eleven-and-a-half DME." Note that that conservation took place about three and a half minutes after they were cleared for the approach and the pilot started a descent to 1800 feet. The pilot saw a minimum altitude applicable to the route in front of them and he elected to descend through it. |
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