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Old November 15th 08, 05:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student
Bear Bottoms[_4_]
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This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?
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Old November 15th 08, 06:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student
Saxman
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?


Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?
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Old November 15th 08, 06:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student
Ari
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?


Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?


Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).
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Old November 15th 08, 07:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Mxsmanic
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?


Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?


Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).


In a Piper?
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Old November 15th 08, 07:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Ari
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?


Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).


In a Piper?


Who said it was a Piper?
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Old November 15th 08, 07:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student
hjmler
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Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?


you had a wing like the fokker eindecker ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_Eindecker

Preliminary Wind Tunnel Testing of WWI Fighters
the two WWI fighters and to serve as a preliminary study in preparation for
more . complete stability and control testing performed in November and
December ...
pdf.aiaa.org/preview/CDReadyMASM06_778/PV2006_333.pdf -


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Old November 15th 08, 07:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Mxsmanic
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).


In a Piper?


Who said it was a Piper?


http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg
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Old November 15th 08, 07:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Ari
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:31:01 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?


Who said it was a Piper?


http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg


Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).
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Old November 15th 08, 08:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Bear Bottoms[_4_]
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:57:14 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:31:01 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?


http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg


Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).


Mistakes happen. Nothing like that happened. You're a denigrator, a
troll. Why not support the group instead of denigrating?

We actually brought in about 25 loads of 300 kilos each. 7,500 kilos
total approximately. I knew what I was doing. Strange things happen.
This was strange. your deinigration does not explain anything.
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website: http://bearware.com
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Old November 15th 08, 08:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Ari
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:03:35 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:57:14 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:31:01 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg


Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).


Mistakes happen. Nothing like that happened. You're a denigrator, a
troll. Why not support the group instead of denigrating?

We actually brought in about 25 loads of 300 kilos each. 7,500 kilos
total approximately. I knew what I was doing. Strange things happen.
This was strange. your deinigration does not explain anything.


I don't expect you to understand a ****ing thing about flight, Bottoms,
look who taught you.

You're lucky you didn't gain airspeed and disintegrate, you lousy
*******.
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