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Old May 17th 05, 07:13 AM
Hilton
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Google +ATC +"radio communications" 15,600 hits.

Try www.clusty.com instead.

Hilton


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Old May 17th 05, 07:27 AM
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Thanks all for the answers, I'll go check out some of those sites.

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Old May 17th 05, 01:07 PM
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"Peter R." wrote in message
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Also, it's safe to say that a percentage of time the controller is
asking these questions to prod the pilot to get back on the course
and/or altitude that the controller last assigned. :-)
--
Peter


And sometimes not that subtle. I can recall listening in on a United
flight when the controller told the crew twice to get back on the
localizer and if they busted it again they were going missed. That
was real comforting at a very busy airport in 200 & 1/2 conditions.



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Old May 17th 05, 07:01 PM
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Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC
feed from their audios. Some passengers would listen for any message that
could imply a safety problem and then sue because they suffered severe
emotional trauma.

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"Bucky" wrote in message
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I'm not a pilot, just your typical passenger. I don't fly United often,
so I just discovered that they put the ATC on the inflight audio. I was
totally fascinated and want to learn some more. Is there a website that
has some basic ATC protocols? Not some huge reference manual, just the
common phrases that you hear over a commercial flight's radio.

A few questions I had while listening:

- What happens if 2 people try to talk at the same time? Do you hear
both voices or neither? How do they avoid talking over each other?

- It seems that there is no authentication/security, the parties just
identify themselves. Have there been cases of troublemakers making
false impersonations?

- They ask pilots their speed, altitude, and heading a lot. Can't the
transponder send that information?

- Do any other airlines put ATC on the inflight audio?



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Old May 17th 05, 07:39 PM
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R.L. wrote:

if you enjoy listening to air traffic control, why not take lessons and be a
pilot?



I second this suggestion. At least take an introductory flight, just be
sure you do it at an airport that has a control tower.

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Old May 17th 05, 08:43 PM
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Yes, there have been problems with authentication/security. There was a
NOTAM (notice to airman) out a couple years ago in teh San Fransisco
area concerning some teenagers that were responding to radio calls to
airliners. Usually its a bit obvious when transmissions come from the
ground because only those within a *very* short distance can here them
unless they are using a pretty serious antenna. Also, these teenagers
were using phrases that were not standard. Aircraft radios work well
because the aircraft are up in the air.

-robert, CFI

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Old May 17th 05, 11:23 PM
Ron Natalie
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Darrell S wrote:
Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC
feed from their audios. Some passengers would listen for any message that
could imply a safety problem and then sue because they suffered severe
emotional trauma.

Most airlines never had it. At United, ATC-on-9 (or From the Cockpit
as it is officially called) is at the discretion of the pilot.
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Old May 18th 05, 02:34 AM
George Patterson
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Darrell S wrote:
Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC
feed from their audios.


Most airlines never had it, and it has nothing to do with lawsuits.

George Patterson
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Old May 18th 05, 01:05 PM
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I heard him, or one of his friends, doing Jimmy Stewart once with Albany.
ATC informed him that he could be cleared to direct Bedford Falls. He
replied it must have been his friend Harvey who requested the change, and
that he would prefer his current clearance.

At the time, I had been pretty stressed out. As a low-time pilot, I had just
picked up my first plane, and was ferrying it home. I had put down due to
deteriorating weather and rough terrain. I called flight services and they
said It was clear to the north, and I could follow one of the finger lakes
to clear skies.

The radio banter did a lot to calm me down.


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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Bucky wrote:

- It seems that there is no authentication/security, the parties just
identify themselves. Have there been cases of troublemakers making
false impersonations?


Yes, there have been cases, but they are rare.


I used to work with a fellow who did impersonations on the air. He's come

on
once as Kirk Douglas, then John Wayne, then Burt Lancaster, then Elvis...

I don't think that's what you mean by "impersonations", though, but ATC
didn't seem to mind.


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Matt
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Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO







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Old May 18th 05, 08:45 PM
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"Darrell S" wrote in message
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Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC
feed from their audios. Some passengers would listen for any message
that could imply a safety problem and then sue because they suffered
severe emotional trauma.


Do you have one cite that this ever really happened?



 




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