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Old July 18th 08, 06:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dallas
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This question was brought up in another group and never answered.

Assume you are flying off the coast of Hawaii and can see an aircraft
carrier group in the distance. Is there an airspace classification around
it? What's to keep you from buzzing it at 1,000 feet (other than a couple
of Phalanx shooting at you :- )


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Old July 18th 08, 07:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Dallas" wrote in message
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This question was brought up in another group and never answered.

Assume you are flying off the coast of Hawaii and can see an aircraft
carrier group in the distance. Is there an airspace classification around
it? What's to keep you from buzzing it at 1,000 feet (other than a couple
of Phalanx shooting at you :- )


You will be called and warned off of the radio, if that does not get it,
you will be intercepted, if that doesn't get it, you will be filled with hot
lead, or tungsten, or whatever stuff they make hot these days.

I still think declaring an emergency and landing on a carrier would be worth
the hassle. Maybe! g
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Jim in NC


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Old July 18th 08, 08:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Jul 18, 2:13*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Dallas" wrote in message

...

This question was brought up in another group and never answered.


Assume you are flying off the coast of Hawaii and can see an aircraft
carrier group in the distance. *Is there an airspace classification around
it? *What's to keep you from buzzing it at 1,000 feet (other than a couple
of Phalanx shooting at you :- )


*You will be called and warned off of the radio, if that does not get it,
you will be intercepted, if that doesn't get it, you will be filled with hot
lead, or tungsten, or whatever stuff they make hot these days.

I still think declaring an emergency and landing on a carrier would be worth
the hassle. *Maybe! g
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Jim in NC


That pretty much happened off 'Nam, didn't it, on the Midway? Guy was
bringing his family out during the evacuation of Saigon. Remember the
pictures of 'copters being pushed over the side? That was to make
room so the little bird dog of an airplane could land. He landed
safely, btw,
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Old July 18th 08, 09:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dallas
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:13:15 -0400, Morgans wrote:

You will be called and warned off of the radio


Yeah, but on what frequency? Chances are they have no idea what frequency
you're on.

My guess is that an aircraft carrier is considered a towered airport...
but how would you know their frequency to make contact? Maybe it's a
portable MOA or restricted airspace. I've never seen anything in the FARs.


Maybe it's "nothing"... after all just a few months ago a pair of Russian
TU-95 Bear bombers overflew the USS Nimitz. One of them flew directly over
the Nimitz at 2000 feet and no one shot them down.

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/u...-fighter-jets/


I still think declaring an emergency and landing on a carrier would be worth
the hassle. Maybe! g


Just don't catch the wire with the nose strut... you'd look funny upside
down... :- )


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Old July 18th 08, 09:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:13:15 -0400, Morgans wrote:

You will be called and warned off of the radio


Yeah, but on what frequency? Chances are they have no idea what frequency
you're on.


121.5



My guess is that an aircraft carrier is considered a towered airport...
but how would you know their frequency to make contact? Maybe it's a
portable MOA or restricted airspace. I've never seen anything in the FARs.


Here's the problem you are looking at from a legal standpoint and
wanting to add a legal tag to it. They aren't. They would be looking at
you as a threat.



Maybe it's "nothing"... after all just a few months ago a pair of Russian
TU-95 Bear bombers overflew the USS Nimitz. One of them flew directly over
the Nimitz at 2000 feet and no one shot them down.


And just how many weapons do you think were tracking that Bear the whole
time?
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Old July 18th 08, 09:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Dallas schrieb:
Assume you are flying off the coast of Hawaii and can see an aircraft


How far off? International airspace?

#m
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Old July 18th 08, 10:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Jul 18, 1:47*pm, Martin Hotze wrote:
Dallas schrieb:

Assume you are flying off the coast of Hawaii and can see an aircraft


How far off? International airspace?

#m


The USN has said before that it considers aircraft approaching within
10 miles of the career valid targets for attack. However, that's in a
combat zone, probably not much would happen while steaming out of
Pearl. The Navy has shot down at least one airliner who got too close
to a task group in the middle east. It was the subject of an
investigation, not sure what happened with that though. The plane was
also on the wrong transponder code.

-Robert
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Old July 19th 08, 02:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Aircraft Carrier and airspace?

Robert M. Gary wrote:
The Navy has shot down at least one airliner who got too close
to a task group in the middle east. It was the subject of an
investigation, not sure what happened with that though.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Vincennes_%28CG-49%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

The plane was
also on the wrong transponder code.


But not this. The aircraft was using the right code. The sailors aboard
the Vincennes just didn't bother to check the civilian flight schedules.

TheSmokingGnu
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Old July 19th 08, 05:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Gig 601Xl Builder writes:

Here's the problem you are looking at from a legal standpoint and
wanting to add a legal tag to it. They aren't. They would be looking at
you as a threat.


CARRIER DESTROYS DEADLY CESSNA IN MILITARY-FAMILY CONFLICT

Yes, that makes a really good headline.

And just how many weapons do you think were tracking that Bear the whole
time?


Tracking is routine, shooting is not.
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Old July 19th 08, 05:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dallas
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:22:32 GMT, TheSmokingGnu wrote:

But not this. The aircraft was using the right code. The sailors aboard
the Vincennes just didn't bother to check the civilian flight schedules.


Yeah... that was pretty ugly on our part... lots of floating dead Iranian
civilians in the water. They haven't gotten over it yet.

Pretty much the same thing as the Russians shooting down Korean Air Lines
Flight 007 in 1983.
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