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Old October 26th 03, 02:14 PM
kallijaa
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"Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message
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"kallijaa" wrote in
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"Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message
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Oh, give me a ****ing break! Are you honestly trying to argue
that
instructors have to train somebody to turn their heads because they
lost this ability through simming?

Instructors have to train students to turn their heads because they
have a natural tendency to look forward and at the insturment panel.
The difficulty varies with individuals, but it is a common condition.
Those who have developed, re-enforced and associated the habit with
flying, will have the most difficulty.


Very good, Skippy, you're talking about a routine part of flight
instruction, just like using one hand on the yoke and maintaining proper
mixture. But that wasn't the issue we were discussing now, was it? I
believe we were talking about instructors having a significant amount of
difficulty in un-training someone used to a computer sim from pressing
buttons to look around.

You're right, we weren't talking about, " one hand on the yoke and
maintaining proper mixture," but we can talk about that if you please. But
first, why not stick to the issue?

As to what we were talking about prior to your appearance, that can be
found at the beginning of the thread. What you were initially talking about
when you came on line, was a request for a break. That request is granted.
You may have your break at you leasure and for any purpose you choose. You
don' need my permission and I don't require the details.

Next, you asked: "Are you honestly trying to argue that instructors have to
train somebody to turn their heads because they lost this ability through
simming?" You already have that answer. A qualified yes.


There's a lot more to it than changing of views. The practice of
facing forward, limiting eye scan to a narrow range and associating
that condition with the controling of an aircraft will train a
non-flyer to continue that practice in the air. The habit can be
overcome in most if not all cases, but it does require extra time and
effort. That can easily be the difference between success and
failure.


Since you're offering this so comfortably, you undoubtedly have a
reputable source at hand that backs up your claims. So trot it out.

Because I'm telling you right now you're full of ****.

That is not an arguement. However, it does describes your condition if you
think that I'm going to "trot out" anything to persuade the likes of you.

CFIs have numerous things they have to train students to do, many of
them that the student is not used to doing. This is nothing unusual.

You're
going to have to produce a lot more than reiterating basics of instruction
to support your contention that simming, as you indicated very

specifically
above, can and does lead to flight school failure, or even (and I'm being
extremely generous here) a noticeably extended amount of time in reaching
certification.

Put your money where your mouth is, Skippy. We're waiting.

Good. Hang by your thumbs.


- Al.


Kalijaa


  #22  
Old October 26th 03, 02:17 PM
kallijaa
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"Dr. Speedbyrd :" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:46:45 GMT, Al Denelsbeck wrote:

"kallijaa" wrote in
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"Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message
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Oh, give me a ****ing break! Are you honestly trying to argue
that
instructors have to train somebody to turn their heads because they
lost this ability through simming?

Instructors have to train students to turn their heads because they
have a natural tendency to look forward and at the insturment panel.
The difficulty varies with individuals, but it is a common condition.
Those who have developed, re-enforced and associated the habit with
flying, will have the most difficulty.


Very good, Skippy, you're talking about a routine part of flight
instruction, just like using one hand on the yoke and maintaining proper
mixture. But that wasn't the issue we were discussing now, was it? I
believe we were talking about instructors having a significant amount of
difficulty in un-training someone used to a computer sim from pressing
buttons to look around.


There's a lot more to it than changing of views. The practice of
facing forward, limiting eye scan to a narrow range and associating
that condition with the controling of an aircraft will train a
non-flyer to continue that practice in the air. The habit can be
overcome in most if not all cases, but it does require extra time and
effort. That can easily be the difference between success and
failure.


Since you're offering this so comfortably, you undoubtedly have a
reputable source at hand that backs up your claims. So trot it out.

Because
I'm telling you right now you're full of ****.

CFIs have numerous things they have to train students to do, many of
them that the student is not used to doing. This is nothing unusual.

You're
going to have to produce a lot more than reiterating basics of

instruction
to support your contention that simming, as you indicated very

specifically
above, can and does lead to flight school failure, or even (and I'm being
extremely generous here) a noticeably extended amount of time in reaching
certification.

Put your money where your mouth is, Skippy. We're waiting.



- Al.



Wow, get a load of Mr. Bigshot ! All wound up in a little ball of

machismo. Anyone ever tell you to get
over yourself? It's only a flight simulator, Squirt, so try and get past

it. We're waiting.

SpeedByrd PhD


Howdy! And welcome aboard.

Kalijaa


  #23  
Old October 26th 03, 03:58 PM
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"kallijaa" wrote in
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"Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message
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Since you're offering this so comfortably, you undoubtedly have a
reputable source at hand that backs up your claims. So trot it out.

Because I'm telling you right now you're full of ****.

That is not an arguement. However, it does describes your condition
if you think that I'm going to "trot out" anything to persuade the
likes of you.



Yep. That's about what I expected. Suddenly the supreme confidence of
telling everyone exactly how it is fades and disappears when it comes down
to offering any proof at all for your claims, to hide behind the
outstanding statement of "I don't haven to prove anything to anybody, so
there!"

Welcome to Usenet, Skippy. You have no authority here, either. "Put
up or shut up" is the order of the day.


- Al.

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Old October 26th 03, 04:08 PM
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"Dr. Speedbyrd :" wrote in
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Wow, get a load of Mr. Bigshot ! All wound up in a little ball of
machismo. Anyone ever tell you to get over yourself? It's only a
flight simulator, Squirt, so try and get past it. We're waiting.

SpeedByrd PhD



Ah, look, I got a personal reply from SpeedByrd, R.A.S.'s resident
for emotional outbursts and tantrums! How long can I drag you along in a
thread where you continue to post spittle-spraying rants that demonstrate
your intelligence and maturity?

I should probably thank you. The thread regarding the fake FS
download a few months back had some of my friends in tears, they were
laughing so hard. Went on for days. Anyone with just a smidgen of awareness
would have seen the warning signs that something wasn't kosher - you, my
friend, just kept plugging away without a single intelligent thought
occurring to you (like even trying to find the site you were harping
about). You even sent it to Microsoft's attention for piracy! Priceless!

So I certainly value your input, and look forward to many more posts
in the thread. Fire away!


- Al.

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Old October 26th 03, 06:22 PM
kallijaa
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"Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message
. 8...
"kallijaa" wrote in
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"Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message
. 7...


Since you're offering this so comfortably, you undoubtedly have a
reputable source at hand that backs up your claims. So trot it out.

Because I'm telling you right now you're full of ****.

That is not an arguement. However, it does describes your condition
if you think that I'm going to "trot out" anything to persuade the
likes of you.



Yep. That's about what I expected. Suddenly the supreme confidence of
telling everyone exactly how it is fades and disappears when it comes down
to offering any proof at all for your claims, to hide behind the
outstanding statement of "I don't haven to prove anything to anybody, so
there!"

Welcome to Usenet, Skippy. You have no authority here, either. "Put
up or shut up" is the order of the day.


- Al.

Thanks for the enlightening input Al. I expected something of the sort
earlier, but better late than never. If you hadn't showed up, someone would
have been forced to invent you.

Maybe someone did.

Kalijaa


  #26  
Old October 27th 03, 01:15 AM
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"Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message
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"Dr. Speedbyrd :" wrote in
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Wow, get a load of Mr. Bigshot ! All wound up in a little ball of
machismo. Anyone ever tell you to get over yourself? It's only a
flight simulator, Squirt, so try and get past it. We're waiting.

SpeedByrd PhD



Ah, look, I got a personal reply from SpeedByrd, R.A.S.'s resident
for emotional outbursts and tantrums! How long can I drag you along in a
thread where you continue to post spittle-spraying rants that demonstrate
your intelligence and maturity?

I should probably thank you. The thread regarding the fake FS
download a few months back had some of my friends in tears, they were
laughing so hard. Went on for days. Anyone with just a smidgen of

awareness
would have seen the warning signs that something wasn't kosher - you, my
friend, just kept plugging away without a single intelligent thought
occurring to you (like even trying to find the site you were harping
about). You even sent it to Microsoft's attention for piracy! Priceless!

So I certainly value your input, and look forward to many more posts
in the thread. Fire away!


Great one Al, ****Byrd is truely a mental midget! LOL

Dashii


  #27  
Old October 27th 03, 03:57 AM
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On 26 Oct 2003 18:34:14 -0600, "Dr. Speedbyrd :"
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What's a phony foreigner like you know about. Douche bag!

SpeedByrd PhD


Redneck asshole! No wonder the world hates us with closed minded
inbreeds like you!
  #28  
Old October 27th 03, 03:59 AM
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On 26 Oct 2003 20:45:09 -0600, "Dr. Speedbyrd :"
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what would you know about it, dipwad?

SpeedByrd PhD


We know you are a 50+ fat old man who sweeps the floors at a
university. The closest you have ever been to sex is with your hand
and the neighbors dog.
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Old October 27th 03, 05:50 AM
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:59:46 -0500, N9NWO wrote:


X-Plane has been certified for IFR and commercial
training. It is the only one that has.


Nnnnnk, sorry, thanks for playing. The Fly-It! helicopter simulator is
certificated as a Flight Simulator Device ("better" than an FTD BTW),
AND ALSO for primary VFR training (up to 7 hours toward the private
pilot ticket). It is based on FS2002.

I believe this platform is quite a bit less $ than the one that's based
on X-Plane, and it is also the first to be certificated to log time on
toward the Newbie Season Pass 8^).

Fly-It! also does a fixed wing sim that is FAA-approved as an FSD.

http://www.flyit.com/index.html

Dave Blevins
Newbie Season Pass Holder
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Old October 27th 03, 12:28 PM
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Peripheral vision? If you had persistently relied upon peripheral vision
for situation awareness at a military flying school you would have been a
candidate for elimination. You would have been taught to "keep your head
out of the cockpit and on a swivel." In other words, during contact flight,
your instructor would want to see your head up and in constant motion,
traversing a very wide angle . You would be taught to cross check
instruments quickly and return to the routine of turning your head so that
you could see directly your situation. Good peripheral vision would be a
requirement for your acceptance in the program, but you would not make the
grade relying on it as you suggest.


Thank you for your candid opinions on my flying ability. Yeah, I
remember you sitting in the back watching my every move during the
lessons.

For your information I value my life and so the instructor did not
have to tell me to look around regularly and before manoevring.
Do you really imagine I sat there and only looked at the panel and
through the front windshield, with my head fixed and eyes forward like
a freakin crash test dummy or something?

I think a lot of people can tell the difference between sitting at a
computer desk and sitting in a cockpit. I know I can and I'm starting
to wonder if you cannot and therefore are taking it out on the fine
people in this group?

Anyway, this whole discussion wasn't about just turning one's head. It
was about using FS as a training aid. For instance you can read a
mutlitude of books on navigation but putting theory into practice and
using the instruments and charts for real is a different ball game and
requires hours of practice. All I'm saying is that as a training aid
FS is a valuble addition to ground school and you can practice
whenever you like.

Chris Norris
 




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