USS America to be sunk off East Coast

In article . com,
"Jeb Hoge" wrote:

Yeah, and then if they start getting uppity about living conditions,
you can float the whole shebang out to sea some night and use it for a
Shootex! Right, Weeks? That's a great idea you had there.

Well, if they move it out 12 miles, they can start their own
casino and get rich like the American Indians. It was only
a matter of time before some sicko would think of sailing
the thing out into open water and sinking it. 8-) But that
sicko wouldn't be me.

Seriously, in Phoenix, the very popular sheriff puts prisoners
in tent cities in the desert by the airport. At least on this
carrier, they could pitch tents in the hangar deck. That would
a least give the homeless people some real shelter. Some of
the carriers that I have seen have stacks of rooms for the
aircrews right under the flight deck. These rooms were left
vacant after the aircrews were moved under the hangar deck.
At any rate, the would make great dorm-style space. Or if
you don't want the homeless to get this facility, how about
making it into a jail? We are building half-billion dollar
prisons at fever pitch rates, yet we still cannot keep up with
all the people we want to put in jail. How about a floating
jail put 20 miles out to sea. There would be no escapes.

-john-

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"John A. Weeks III" wrote:

So, you are in favor of letting homeless people freeze to death
sleeping under freeway overpasses and in rail yards in the harsh
cold winter climates in the northern lattitudes?

-john-

I hate it when people resort to 'tear jerking' to promote their
projects instead of using logical and sensible arguments. There's
lots of good reasons pro and con than resorting to this crap.
Smarten up.
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

John A. Weeks III wrote:

In article et,
"D" wrote:



I just read in Defense News that the carrier USS America is going to be sunk
in tests off the East Coast of the US. They will detonate various
explosives aboard her to determine how much damage she takes.



This is a travesty. They should tie up this ship next to some
major city, and use it for housing homeless people. An aircraft
carrier can hold 5000 or more people when sailing, so it should
be no big deal to house 1000 homeless people, plus have deck
space for another 500 tents. After all, the ship has all the
living facilities like bunks, state rooms, plumbing, bathing,
kitchens, cafeterias, etc. It is a shame to let such a valuable
resource be destroyed like this.

-john-



Are you serious? :-\

John A. Weeks III wrote:

In article ,
Dave in San Diego wrote:



"John A. Weeks III" wrote in
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In article et,
"D" wrote:



I just read in Defense News that the carrier USS America is going to
be sunk in tests off the East Coast of the US. They will detonate
various explosives aboard her to determine how much damage she takes.


This is a travesty. They should tie up this ship next to some
major city, and use it for housing homeless people. An aircraft
carrier can hold 5000 or more people when sailing, so it should
be no big deal to house 1000 homeless people, plus have deck
space for another 500 tents. After all, the ship has all the
living facilities like bunks, state rooms, plumbing, bathing,
kitchens, cafeterias, etc. It is a shame to let such a valuable
resource be destroyed like this.


Who pays for the conversions to meet basic fire codes? Who pays for the
required environmental cleanup? Who pays to staff it? Who pays for the
continued maintenance?



Who pays for everything else in America? Government and faith-based
charities.



The USS Midway is currently docked at Navy Pier here in San Diego. It
required the expenditure of well over a million dollars to get it to its
present condition, and would require a lot more to get to a condition
where what you are proposing would be feasible.



That cost is a drop in the bucket compared with the war in Iraq.
It is also small compared to the crime and vandalism that currently
happens to and due to people being homeless.



I fear that such a project would quickly turn into a floating Cabrini
Green, for similar reasons, the foremost of which is lack of "pride of
ownership", somebody else's property, someone else's problems.



So, you are in favor of letting homeless people freeze to death
sleeping under freeway overpasses and in rail yards in the harsh
cold winter climates in the northern lattitudes?

-john-



Well instead of letting them freeze, we'll drive them to your place. 5
Pm Ok with you???

John A. Weeks III wrote:

In article . com,
"Jeb Hoge" wrote:



Yeah, and then if they start getting uppity about living conditions,
you can float the whole shebang out to sea some night and use it for a
Shootex! Right, Weeks? That's a great idea you had there.



Well, if they move it out 12 miles, they can start their own
casino and get rich like the American Indians. It was only
a matter of time before some sicko would think of sailing
the thing out into open water and sinking it. 8-) But that
sicko wouldn't be me.

Seriously, in Phoenix, the very popular sheriff puts prisoners
in tent cities in the desert by the airport. At least on this
carrier, they could pitch tents in the hangar deck. That would
a least give the homeless people some real shelter. Some of
the carriers that I have seen have stacks of rooms for the
aircrews right under the flight deck. These rooms were left
vacant after the aircrews were moved under the hangar deck.
At any rate, the would make great dorm-style space. Or if
you don't want the homeless to get this facility, how about
making it into a jail? We are building half-billion dollar
prisons at fever pitch rates, yet we still cannot keep up with
all the people we want to put in jail. How about a floating
jail put 20 miles out to sea. There would be no escapes.

-john-



I'm quite sure there are existing shelters in your area on dry land. A
carrier seems like a very big & expensive solution.

"John A. Weeks III" wrote in
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So, you are in favor of letting homeless people freeze to death
sleeping under freeway overpasses and in rail yards in the harsh
cold winter climates in the northern lattitudes?

-john-

Hmmm... let's see - harsh cold winter climates in the vicinity of ports
capable of supporting a carrier in a non-profit capacity:

West coast - Bremerton and Seattle don't have harsh cold winter climates,
nor do any ports south of there

East coast - Boston - not a likely candidate; small port
NY - maybe, but unlikely due to financials
Phila - See Boston and NY
Ports south - don't have harsh cold winter climates

So you would be proposing to not only house the homeless on this carrier,
but to transport them from their "home" cities to whatever port the
government can suck into hosting it.

BTW, John, have you ever lived on an aircraft carrier? Further responses
on my part depend on your answer.

Dave in San Diego
USS Midway, '80 - '83

In article ,
Dave in San Diego wrote:

So you would be proposing to not only house the homeless on this carrier,
but to transport them from their "home" cities to whatever port the
government can suck into hosting it.

Sure. There are a lot of empty port facilities, so there should
be cities out there that would be happy to bring in a major
government white elephant project. There are lots of busses out
there. Greyhound has been hurting for years, so I think they
could give the government a good deal on transporting these
homeless people to their new home.

BTW, John, have you ever lived on an aircraft carrier? Further responses
on my part depend on your answer.

No. But how could that possibly make any difference. Have you
ever had a job working with the homeless people on a day to day
basis? If your answer is no, then are you really qualified to
respond any further?

-john-

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In article ,
Tiger wrote:

I'm quite sure there are existing shelters in your area on dry land. A
carrier seems like a very big & expensive solution.

If so, then why are there still homeless people? Have you ever
been to San Francisco? The homeless are everywhere sleeping in
the sidewalks and doorways along Market Street. Get on the light
rail train about 11PM, and ride around San Francisco--you will get
the education of a lifetime. All they need to do is tie the
America up next to the Hornet, and they are ready to rock and roll.

-john-

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In article , Tiger
wrote:
Well instead of letting them freeze, we'll drive them to your place. 5
Pm Ok with you???

I think you miss the point. I don't want homeless people sleeping
in my front yard. I want to find nice housing for them. An
aircraft carrier can hold thousands, and they are built for war,
so they should be able to hold up to the every day wear and tear
from a community of homeless people.

One idea that people are working on is to convert the mountains
of shipping containers into pre-fab homeless housing. In the
case of an aircraft carrier, you have almost all of the facilities
you need right there, so there wouldn't be much conversion to do.
We could even stack containers on the flight deck and make a
high rise unit to increase the capacity of the housing.

-john-

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In article , Noah Little
wrote:

John A. Weeks III wrote to Dave:
So, you are in favor of letting homeless people freeze to death
sleeping under freeway overpasses and in rail yards in the harsh
cold winter climates in the northern lattitudes?

I thought that your earlier post was one of the most ill-thought-out
things I'd read in 15 years on Usenet...until I read this.

He was trolling and caught a lot of fish.




D