Fast Boat Threat Faces Hail of Hellfires

On Dec 28, 9:23*am, Andrew Chaplin
wrote:
wrote :

On Dec 26, 2:02 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
wrote:

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Indeed. If we want to draw a parallel with weapons system of a
century or so ago, the penguin is like the "secondary battery"
available to helos, the main being the harpoon and the tertiary these
navalisedhellfire.... I guess everyone can agree that a penguin is an
overkill
against pirate skiffs and iranian large RHIB and similiar types of
pousserie Navale.

Can any helicopters actually launch Harpoon?

Global Security's page on the AGM-84 suggests not:http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ons/agm-84.htm.

I remember seeing a theoretical Sea Apache drawing with Harpoon
loaded, but obviously that never came to pass.

On 26 Dec, 08:09, wrote:
On Dec 25, 5:25*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"

wrote:

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the ~8km range of the hellfire and the inherent low stealthiness of
helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
missiles around the seasparrow size.

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Dott. Piergiorgio.

Isn't that what Penguin is for?:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-119.htm

I would go with Sea Skua :-)

Guy

On Dec 28 2009, 2:50*pm, guy wrote:
On 26 Dec, 08:09, wrote:



On Dec 25, 5:25*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"

wrote:

{SNIP}

the ~8km range of thehellfireand the inherent low stealthiness of
helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
missiles around the seasparrow size.

{SNIP}

Dott. Piergiorgio.

Isn't that what Penguin is for?:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-119.htm

I would go with Sea Skua :-)

Guy

Doesn't Sea Skua require the launching helo to maintain line-of-sight
to the
target, since Sea Skua uses semi-active radar homing (like the
Sparrow
AAM)?

With Penguin, you can launch & leave, or just duck back down below
the
radar horizon after firing. With 3rd party targeting info from a UAV
or other
source, the launching platform can fire Penguin without ever even
seeing
(or being seen by) the target directly.

In message
,
writes
Doesn't Sea Skua require the launching helo to maintain line-of-sight
to the
target, since Sea Skua uses semi-active radar homing (like the
Sparrow
AAM)?

Correct: chosen because it gives more discrimination & control if there
are multiple contacts in the water. (Skua & its Sea Spray radar were
designed to keep the Lynx handily out of SA-N-4 range: a primary target
was the Nanuchka-class FFL)

With Penguin, you can launch & leave, or just duck back down below
the
radar horizon after firing. With 3rd party targeting info from a UAV
or other
source, the launching platform can fire Penguin without ever even
seeing
(or being seen by) the target directly.

However, you only get one or two Penguin, while a Lynx can carry four
Skua. A lot depends on who, where and how you expect to be fighting.

--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.

Paul J. Adam

On Jan 1, 8:35*am, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote:
In message
,
writes

Doesn't Sea Skua require the launching helo to maintain line-of-sight
to the
target, since Sea Skua uses semi-active radar homing (like the
Sparrow
AAM)?

Correct: chosen because it gives more discrimination & control if there
are multiple contacts in the water. (Skua & its Sea Spray radar were
designed to keep the Lynx handily out of SA-N-4 range: a primary target
was the Nanuchka-class FFL)

With Penguin, you can launch & leave, or just duck back down below
the
radar horizon after firing. *With 3rd party targeting info from a UAV
or other
source, the launching platform can fire Penguin without ever even
seeing
(or being seen by) the target directly.

However, you only get one or two Penguin, while a Lynx can carry four
Skua. A lot depends on who, where and how you expect to be fighting.

--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.

Paul J. Adam

Like the Japanese with the torpedoes and bombs dilemma at Wake.