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Piper Pathfinder Article
The April 2004 PLANE&PILOT has a review of the 1974 Piper Pathfinder.
A table at the end of the article compares the 74 Pathfinder to the 74 Skylane. I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet) unless he gets a Cessna. :-) Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550 Service Ceiling C182.........17,700 Some other interesting numbers stand out in the comparison. |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in
Message-Id: : I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet) unless he gets a Cessna. :-) Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550 Service Ceiling C182.........17,700 He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load: http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks? |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in Message-Id: : I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet) unless he gets a Cessna. :-) Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550 Service Ceiling C182.........17,700 He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load: http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks? keeping in mind that these are 1974 models... Pathfinder 182 average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475 current values $63,000 $79,000 price appreciation factor 172% 259% gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950 empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645 useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305 horsepower 235 230 power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8 wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9 total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79 payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831 cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139 best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890 Vso 52 50 takeoff run (ft) 850 705 landing run (ft) 1,040 590 |
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I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-) Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550 Service Ceiling C182.........17,700 We've never had any reason to fly higher than 12,500 -- even when we flew to the Grand Canyon. But we were still climbing pretty smartly when we leveled off, so I wonder about that ceiling. (Doubt I'll be finding out anytime soon, however. I don't have an oxygen system.) current values $63,000 $79,000 Pfffft! What year are these prices from? I haven't seen a decent Pathfinder go for less than $80K since we bought ours in 2002. There are several for sale in T-A-P for $95K+. useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305 Yep, that's what makes the Pathfinder such an awesome plane. To be able to haul four 200 pounders, full tanks, AND baggage is a wonderful thing. best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890 Totally bogus. We routinely see 1000+ fpm. Although, to be fair, our Pathfinder has every speed mod ever made for it, so I don't know what a stock bird would do. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:40:26 GMT, john smith wrote in
Message-Id: : Larry Dighera wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in Message-Id: : I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet) unless he gets a Cessna. :-) Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550 Service Ceiling C182.........17,700 He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load: http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks? keeping in mind that these are 1974 models... Pathfinder 182 average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475 current values $63,000 $79,000 price appreciation factor 172% 259% gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950 empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645 useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305 horsepower 235 230 power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8 wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9 Service Ceiling (ft) 13,550 17,700 total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79 payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831 cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139 best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890 Vso 52 50 takeoff run (ft) 850 705 landing run (ft) 1,040 590 The Skylane carries about 150 pounds less, at 4-1/2% greater speed, to a 3,150' higher altitude, with a substantially shorter landing run due to the Pathfinder's more pronounced ground-effect, and it has two doors. If the Pathfinder were loaded 150 pounds lighter, it would reduce the difference between it and the Skylane. If the performance numbers were the sole criteria in selecting between the two, who could argue against the Skylane? It even has better sagebrush clearance and a rain porch, and for photography and pipeline work, ... Have you got any cabin dimensions? |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:25:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in Message-Id: XIL3c.100119$PR3.1812564@attbi_s03: I don't have an oxygen system. You don't need one below 14,500'. |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:36:31 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in Message-Id: : On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:25:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote in Message-Id: XIL3c.100119$PR3.1812564@attbi_s03: I don't have an oxygen system. You don't need one below 14,500'. .... for 30 minutes. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
news On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:36:31 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote in Message-Id: : On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:25:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote in Message-Id: XIL3c.100119$PR3.1812564@attbi_s03: I don't have an oxygen system. You don't need one below 14,500'. ... for 30 minutes. ....on a day with low enough pressure to reduce the cabin altitude by 500'. -- David Brooks |
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I suspect that the 182's shorter landing performance has more to do with its
better flaps and consequent lower approach speed than with ground effect. Mike MU-2 "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:40:26 GMT, john smith wrote in Message-Id: : Larry Dighera wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in Message-Id: : I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet) unless he gets a Cessna. :-) Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550 Service Ceiling C182.........17,700 He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load: http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks? keeping in mind that these are 1974 models... Pathfinder 182 average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475 current values $63,000 $79,000 price appreciation factor 172% 259% gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950 empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645 useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305 horsepower 235 230 power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8 wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9 Service Ceiling (ft) 13,550 17,700 total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79 payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831 cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139 best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890 Vso 52 50 takeoff run (ft) 850 705 landing run (ft) 1,040 590 The Skylane carries about 150 pounds less, at 4-1/2% greater speed, to a 3,150' higher altitude, with a substantially shorter landing run due to the Pathfinder's more pronounced ground-effect, and it has two doors. If the Pathfinder were loaded 150 pounds lighter, it would reduce the difference between it and the Skylane. If the performance numbers were the sole criteria in selecting between the two, who could argue against the Skylane? It even has better sagebrush clearance and a rain porch, and for photography and pipeline work, ... Have you got any cabin dimensions? |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:40:26 GMT, john smith wrote in Message-Id: : Larry Dighera wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in Message-Id: : I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet) unless he gets a Cessna. :-) Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550 Service Ceiling C182.........17,700 He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load: http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks? keeping in mind that these are 1974 models... Pathfinder 182 average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475 current values $63,000 $79,000 price appreciation factor 172% 259% gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950 empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645 useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305 horsepower 235 230 power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8 wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9 Service Ceiling (ft) 13,550 17,700 total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79 payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831 cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139 best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890 Vso 52 50 takeoff run (ft) 850 705 landing run (ft) 1,040 590 with a substantially shorter landing run due to the Pathfinder's more pronounced ground-effect If you are floating in ground effect, your approach speed is too fast for your landing weight! Have you got any cabin dimensions? Cabin dimensions found in the PIM's I have for each aircraft do not include baggage compartment volumes for either aircraft. |
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