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Old May 2nd 20, 12:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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When HOLD SHORT sounds like CLEARED TO CROSS THE ACTIVE.

There comes a time for ALL good airmen to evaluate the impact senescence is
making on their cognition and thus, their flying skills ...

The alterative is leaving a legacy of death and destruction, not to mention
the grief and sorrow forever carried in the memories of family and friends,
when it could have been entertainment superstar upon whom time bestowed
sagacity and wisdom. The choice is ours.

Perhaps, cultivating a CFI friend to accompany the aging PIC while aloft
would allow him to continue to navigate in the third dimension safely. It
might even be more fun with a friend along to share the experience.


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https://variety.com/2020/film/news/h...nt-1234593715/

Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

Harrison Ford
Jim Smeal/REX/Shutterstock

Harrison Ford is being investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration
after an incident that occurred on a runway at Los Angeles Hawthorne
Municipal Airport on April 24.

The FAA said in a statement to Variety that the 77-year-old actor was
piloting an airplane that crossed the runway as another plane tried to land,
putting the aircrafts only 3,600 feet apart.

The FAA is investigating an incident in which the pilot of an Aviat Husky
taxied across the runway at Hawthorne Municipal Airport Friday afternoon
while another aircraft was performing a touch-and-go landing, a
spokesperson for the FAA said.

In a statement to Variety, a representative for Ford explained that the
incident was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control and that
there was little danger involved.

Ford crossed the airports only runway in his aircraft after he misheard a
radio instruction from ATC. He immediately acknowledged the mistake and
apologized to ATC for the error, the rep said. The purpose of the flight
was to maintain currency and proficiency in the aircraft. No one was injured
and there was never any danger of a collision.

In an audio clip from the air traffic control provided by the FAA, Ford can
be heard misunderstanding the instruction and then apologizing.

I told you to hold short. You need to listen up, the air traffic control
said to Ford after he began crossing the runway.

Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. Im terribly sorry, Ford
responded.

Ford made headlines in 2017 for a similar incident at John Wayne Airport in
Santa Ana, Calif., in which his Aviat Husky nearly collided with a
100-passenger Boeing 737 and proceeded to land on the wrong part of the
tarmac. Ford was investigated by the FAA, but allowed to continue to fly
without restriction, provided that he completed an awareness training, which
he did.

In 2015, Ford made an emergency landing on Santa Monicas Penmar Golf Course
after his two-seater WWII military aircraft had a carburetor issue. Ford
sustained several injuries, including a broken pelvis and ankle.
Popular on Variety


8 Comments
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whole or in part in Variety publications.

Gavin Ward (pilot)
May 1, 2020 at 8:07 am

While its difficult to to see any ambiguity in the text shown here, that
may not accurately reflect the original ATC instruction which must use
very specific phraseology (as it forms a legal contract between ATC & the
pilot).
Before drawing a conclusion it would be instructive to hear/read the
actual ATC instruction instead of just the post-incident exchange .



Damon
April 30, 2020 at 5:09 am

What did Harrison Ford think he was told? The opposite? Is hold
short ambiguous? Indiana Jones is going senile.



mattr40
April 30, 2020 at 4:55 am

Its time for him to stop flying before he really hurts someone but I
doubt he will listen SMH




Tony
April 30, 2020 at 3:17 am

Tower: I told you to hold short, you need to listen up

Ford: Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. Im terribly
sorry,

Ford: was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control

Uh, sorry that sounds exactly like hes still not listening and
putting blame elsewhere.
Thats very irresponsible. Ive taken copters out from there and theres
not much room out there for mistakes and to not listen up.

With this and the other instances, theres got to be a close review of
his cognitive skills and abilities. You can only mess up once.
I hope he reconsiders or goes to an airfield in an area far less
populated.




dont really
April 30, 2020 at 1:00 am

Ive got a bad feeling about this
Reply Report comment
Nomemo
April 29, 2020 at 7:25 pm

Can you spell S E N I L E??
Is not the first time.
Reply Report comment
Sammynews
April 29, 2020 at 6:29 pm

Its time Calista to take the keys away.




billo
April 29, 2020 at 7:06 pm

uh, you must be one of those who think the woman holds the power.
harrison ford knows better.
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Old May 5th 20, 06:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Daniel[_5_]
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Default Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

On 5/1/20 4:51 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:


When HOLD SHORT sounds like CLEARED TO CROSS THE ACTIVE.

There comes a time for ALL good airmen to evaluate the impact senescence is
making on their cognition and thus, their flying skills ...

The alterative is leaving a legacy of death and destruction, not to mention
the grief and sorrow forever carried in the memories of family and friends,
when it could have been entertainment superstar upon whom time bestowed
sagacity and wisdom. The choice is ours.

Perhaps, cultivating a CFI friend to accompany the aging PIC while aloft
would allow him to continue to navigate in the third dimension safely. It
might even be more fun with a friend along to share the experience.


----------------
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/h...nt-1234593715/

Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

Harrison Ford
Jim Smeal/REX/Shutterstock

Harrison Ford is being investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration
after an incident that occurred on a runway at Los Angeles’ Hawthorne
Municipal Airport on April 24.

The FAA said in a statement to Variety that the 77-year-old actor was
piloting an airplane that crossed the runway as another plane tried to land,
putting the aircrafts only 3,600 feet apart.

“The FAA is investigating an incident in which the pilot of an Aviat Husky
taxied across the runway at Hawthorne Municipal Airport Friday afternoon
while another aircraft was performing a touch-and-go landing,” a
spokesperson for the FAA said.

In a statement to Variety, a representative for Ford explained that the
incident was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control and that
there was little danger involved.

“Ford crossed the airport’s only runway in his aircraft after he misheard a
radio instruction from ATC. He immediately acknowledged the mistake and
apologized to ATC for the error,” the rep said. “The purpose of the flight
was to maintain currency and proficiency in the aircraft. No one was injured
and there was never any danger of a collision.”

In an audio clip from the air traffic control provided by the FAA, Ford can
be heard misunderstanding the instruction and then apologizing.

“I told you to hold short. You need to listen up,” the air traffic control
said to Ford after he began crossing the runway.

“Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. I’m terribly sorry,” Ford
responded.

Ford made headlines in 2017 for a similar incident at John Wayne Airport in
Santa Ana, Calif., in which his Aviat Husky nearly collided with a
100-passenger Boeing 737 and proceeded to land on the wrong part of the
tarmac. Ford was investigated by the FAA, but allowed to continue to fly
without restriction, provided that he completed an awareness training, which
he did.

In 2015, Ford made an emergency landing on Santa Monica’s Penmar Golf Course
after his two-seater WWII military aircraft had a carburetor issue. Ford
sustained several injuries, including a broken pelvis and ankle.
Popular on Variety


8 Comments
Comments are moderated. They may be edited for clarity and reprinting in
whole or in part in Variety publications.

Gavin Ward (pilot)
May 1, 2020 at 8:07 am

While its difficult to to see any ambiguity in the text shown here, that
may not accurately reflect the original ATC instruction – which must use
very specific phraseology (as it forms a legal contract between ATC & the
pilot).
Before drawing a conclusion it would be instructive to hear/read the
actual ATC instruction instead of just the post-incident exchange .



Damon
April 30, 2020 at 5:09 am

What did Harrison Ford think he was told? The “opposite”? Is “hold
short” ambiguous? Indiana Jones is going senile.



mattr40
April 30, 2020 at 4:55 am

It’s time for him to stop flying before he really hurts someone but I
doubt he will listen SMH




Tony
April 30, 2020 at 3:17 am

Tower: “I told you to hold short, you need to listen up”

Ford: ““Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. I’m terribly
sorry,”

Ford: “was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control ”

Uh, sorry that sounds exactly like he’s ‘still’ not listening and
putting blame elsewhere.
That’s very irresponsible. I’ve taken copters out from there and there’s
not much room out there for mistakes and to ‘not listen up’.

With this and the other instances, there’s got to be a ‘close review’ of
his cognitive skills and abilities. You can only ‘mess up once’.
I hope ‘he’ reconsiders or goes to an airfield in an area far less
populated.




dont really
April 30, 2020 at 1:00 am

“I’ve got a bad feeling about this”
Reply Report comment
Nomemo
April 29, 2020 at 7:25 pm

Can you spell S E N I L E??
Is not the first time.
Reply Report comment
Sammynews
April 29, 2020 at 6:29 pm

It’s time Calista to take the keys away.




billo
April 29, 2020 at 7:06 pm

uh, you must be one of those who think the woman holds the power.
harrison ford knows better.


Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going to
leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA to
determine whether he's fit or not.

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Old May 5th 20, 09:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
george
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On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
Daniel wrote:

Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
to determine whether he's fit or not.


Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
aware of the way it all works.

As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once


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Old May 5th 20, 10:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Daniel[_5_]
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On 5/5/20 1:22 PM, George wrote:
On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
Daniel wrote:

Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
to determine whether he's fit or not.


Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
aware of the way it all works.

As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once


I wasn't there so you must know far better than me.

--
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Visit me at: gopher://gcpp.world
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Old May 5th 20, 11:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Clare Snyder
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Default Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

On Wed, 6 May 2020 08:22:53 +1200, George wrote:

On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
Daniel wrote:

Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
to determine whether he's fit or not.


Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
aware of the way it all works.

As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once

You'd be surprised how many guys have survived the same mistake more
than once - and others that have survived just about every mistake in
the book.

Must be hard to sit down with that many horseshoes up their butt - and
one of these times something is going to get them - and with THEIR
luck it will be something stupid someone else does - - -
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Old May 6th 20, 07:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

On Tue, 5 May 2020 14:03:17 -0700, Daniel wrote:

On 5/5/20 1:22 PM, George wrote:
On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
Daniel wrote:

Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
to determine whether he's fit or not.


Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
aware of the way it all works.

As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once


I wasn't there so you must know far better than me.



Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page:
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harri...control-audio/

Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.
  #7  
Old May 6th 20, 09:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
george
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On Wed, 06 May 2020 11:17:30 -0700
Larry Dighera wrote:

Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page:
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harri...control-audio/

Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.


Thanks
Larry I seem to recall that old phrase 'Say again'
Removes all doubt and the controller generally does so with more care


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Old May 7th 20, 02:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Clare Snyder
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Default Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

On Wed, 06 May 2020 11:17:30 -0700, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Tue, 5 May 2020 14:03:17 -0700, Daniel wrote:

On 5/5/20 1:22 PM, George wrote:
On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
Daniel wrote:

Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
to determine whether he's fit or not.


Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
aware of the way it all works.

As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once


I wasn't there so you must know far better than me.



Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page:
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harri...control-audio/

Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.

The ATC needs to slow down and get the marbles out of his mouth.
Getting "hold short of the runway" out of that blathering takes pretty
good ears and a bit of mind reading.
  #9  
Old May 7th 20, 02:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Clare Snyder
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Default Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

On Thu, 7 May 2020 08:13:03 +1200, George wrote:

On Wed, 06 May 2020 11:17:30 -0700
Larry Dighera wrote:

Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page:
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harri...control-audio/

Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.


Thanks
Larry I seem to recall that old phrase 'Say again'
Removes all doubt and the controller generally does so with more care

By the time Harrison had gotten "say again" out he'd already have
been across the hold line. Unless he was taxiing a sod-buster(an
ultralight lke a Beaver 500 or a weedhopper)
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Old August 1st 20, 06:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

At least Ford isn't doing reverse mortgage tv ads. Stop begging Tom Selleck!
 




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