Pilot's Political Orientation

Bob Noel wrote:

In article , wrote:

But he doesn't need much of the system either. He needs a few grass
runways, and a good map and compass! :-)

Matt

Well, although that may be true for you, there are lots of Cessna 182's
that make
a lot of instrument approaches at airports with control towers. Or, even
instrument approaches at airports without control towers; all supported
by center
equipment, controllers, FAA approach designers, expensive flight
inspections,
etc., etc.

All of which would have been done whether or not those C-182's flew
those approaches. iow - no extra costs were incurred because of
those approaches.

Well....that is true for the cost of the center building. It isn't necessarily
true where an approach control serves what is primarily a general aviation
airport. And, it certainly isn't true for instrument approach procedures
established for airports that have no commercial traffic (which is many, many
more instrument approach procedures than those established for airports with
mostly, or some, commercial operations.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Pete" wrote in message
t.com...


No, they want to tell you what you can and can't do in your
bedroom, and with your own body. They want to tell you who
you can marry, demand you go to church, but then you catch
them in a motel room doin' what they said not to do.

Conservatives are a bunch of lying liars.




You've bought the propaganda.

The basic difference between conservatives and liberals is their position on
freedom. Conservatives are fer it, liberals are agin' it.

Actually, you've over-simplified the situation. Both conservatives and
liberals are for
freedom - as long as it's to do things they agree with! Both
conservatives and liberals
are against freedom - when it comes to things they disagree with!

Frankly, I'm getting tired of people using the terms "liberal" and
"conservative" as if they
had any meaning. They're simply ways of casting ones self as one of the
"good guys" - while
at the same time belittling one's opponents - used by those too lazy to
argue the merits of
an issue. For a case in point, see the words "You've bought the
propaganda" printed above.

Rich Lemert

Teacherjh wrote:

Did you know that truckers pay an average of $15,000* in highway taxes? What
do you pay for your car tax? And bicycles ride free (except on highways).
Shouldn't bicycles pay $15,000 in taxes to be fair?

Jose
* From a bumper sticker. I made the number up because I can't remember the
real one, which is five figures in any case.

In order to answer your (rhetorical) question, we need a bit more
information - things like
how many miles does the average trucker put on the highways each year,
and how many
miles do you put on your car? how much of the money spent on highway
maintanance due
to damage from trucks, and how much is from damage by cars? You know,
answers to those
trivial little questions that neither side of the issue likes to talk
about because of the risk
that people might understand the issue.

Rich Lemert

On 16-Apr-2004, "Tony Cox" wrote:

I'd have expected those who chose Libertarian would be
a substantially higher proportion than the general population and the
Greens substantially lower. Pilots are a self-reliant independent bunch,
keen on driving machines whose gas consumption puts SUV's to
shame.


Taking into account that I can fly from point A to point B in a straight
line (rather than following a highway), my Arrow gets about the same fuel
efficiency (at 65% cruise) as a typical sedan. A Mooney would do even
better.

--
-Elliott Drucker

In order to answer your (rhetorical) question, we need a bit more
information - things like how many miles does the average trucker put on the
highways each year,
and how many miles do you put on your car? how much of the money spent on
highway
maintanance due to damage from trucks, and how much is from damage by cars? You
know,
answers to those trivial little questions that neither side of the issue likes
to talk
about because of the risk that people might understand the issue.



Exactly.

I'm not going to supply the information, because for one, I don't have the
studies in hand, and for two, that's not the point of my post. Rather, your
point is my point.

One trucker hopping a curb ensures the curb needs repair or replacement. It
would take lot of cars to do the same damage. I don't have studies to prove
this, but I think it's self-evident, and I've seen it happen.

A trucker that's not on the road (probably at highway speed) for a good portion
of the workweek is not going to make much money, and won't last long. I don't
know of any passenger cars that are on the road that much.

Trucks weigh more than cars. 18-wheelers weigh LOTS more than cars. I don't
have data to prove this either, but it's self evident to me. (yes, I know that
empty they weigh less than full).

My point is that the bumper sticker is supposed to bypass all those little
questions with the "oh my god, $18,000 - that's so unfair" reaction. The same
is true of the little airplanes in the system question.

Ultimately the question comes down to what is "fair" to user B, in a system
that has tto be constructed anyway for user A. That question is not amenable
to facts and figures, but is philosophical in nature, though once that question
is addressed, the facts and figures will figure into the final bill. It's
similar in nature to the "is flying safer" question.. safer per mile? per
minute? per passenger? per dollar spant? per area endangered? per diem?
persnickety?

Jose


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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...


People still buy cigarettes.... How can anyone possibly explain why vast
numbers of people will continue to buy something that burns their mouths
and
lungs, makes the eyes sting, smells bad, makes food taste bad, is likely
to
burn themselves, their friends, and their possessions, and is deadly
poisonous to boot, and even claim that they 'enjoy' it? Perhaps
liberalism
is to politics what tobacco is to recreation.

Maybe JFK was right after all, when he claimed that he was a jelly
doughnut.
:-)

Okay, I was gonna stay out of this, but since people are comparing
liberalism to poison, cigarettes and other cancerous substances, it may be
time to remind everyone that our country was founded on some quite liberal
principles. Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled to hear liberalism
likened to "poison".


Some people have no sense of humor. :-(

All right, you want to play it that way, Thomas Jefferson would likely be
appalled to hear what modern day liberalism espouses (socialism,
restrictions on freedom of speech on campus and in the press, restrictions
on the right to bear arms, restrictions on the right to practice your
religion, racial quotas, seizure of personal property for public use without
compensation, abandonment of morals, restrictions on campaign advertising
and financing, etc.). Thomas Jefferson liberals are what we call
conservatives nowadays.

Most liberals hate Jefferson and tar his reputation and his principles
whenever they can. Modern day liberals portray Jefferson as an oppressive
white slave owner and rapist, an establishment figure tied to big money and
corrupt politics. If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade school
kids know about Jefferson.

"Theorem" wrote in message
...
BllFs6 wrote:

Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke



If only it was even as good as that

Liberalism is more imprisoning than communism ever thought of being
while
hiding under the fake facade of true freedom.....

Jesus was a liberal.

Then why do liberals hate him? Why don't liberals espouse the principals
that Jesus taught?

"Chicken Bone" wrote in message
news.com...
Flightinfo.com asked for pilots political orientation.

Results:

Democrat 22.97%
Republican 57.24%
Ind. 19.79%

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...threadid=21699


--
Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke

Seems a number of people have forgotten that liberalism has abandoned
liberal principles. Modern liberalism is just monarchy dressed up in new
clothes. It was not so long ago that the people who today call themselves
liberals were called aristocrats and Tories.

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
...

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
link.net...

I suspect the results would have been more illuminating had
they included the Libertarians and Greens as options.


How so? They'd both be included in the 19.79% that voted independent.



Wrong, I'd bet the majority og the 19.79% voted either Dem or Republican
in
the last election.

Most people who claim to be independents --- aren't.

wrote:

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:


The average G/A guy who flys a Cessna 182 100 hours a year doesn't begin to
pay for the system.


But he doesn't need much of the system either. He needs a few grass
runways, and a good map and compass! :-)

Matt


Well, although that may be true for you, there are lots of Cessna 182's that make
a lot of instrument approaches at airports with control towers. Or, even
instrument approaches at airports without control towers; all supported by center
equipment, controllers, FAA approach designers, expensive flight inspections,
etc., etc.



Yes, I did that for years when I owned my 182, the the comment said the
"average" G/A guy. The average G/A pilot doesn't fly IFR very often at all.


Matt