Wellston Crash Report Quote

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:39:33 GMT, Larry Fransson
wrote:

On 2003-11-20 04:23:29 -0800, Bob Noel said:

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote:

hey Larry, how about using CR/LF or linewraps in your posts? please.

--
Bob Noel


Hmmm...my posts appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even). Which newsreader are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and does anyone else see them badly formatted?

I'm beta testing a new newsreader, so if it has formatting problems, that would be good to know!

I use Forte Agent and have a problem with your posts, including the
one above. They don't wrap.

Don

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote:

On 2003-11-20 04:23:29 -0800, Bob Noel
said: In article
, Larry Fransson
wrote: hey Larry, how about using CR/LF
or linewraps in your posts? please. -- Bob Noel Hmmm...my posts
appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even). Which newsreader
are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and does anyone
else see them badly formatted?I'm beta testing a new newsreader, so if it
has formatting problems, that would be good to know!


MT-Newswatcher 3.0 is the reader I use on this computer.

Interestingly enough, MT-Newswatcher for OS X, which I use at work,
provides the line wrapping that is missing. go figure.

--
Bob Noel

In article , john smith wrote:
Ace Pilot wrote:

Interesting... the "Press Release" contains more information than the
final report contained in the database webpage.

DCA03MA008

The database shows only a summary. The actual report on any accident is
hundreds or even thousands of pages long. For some reason, the web
database hasn't been updated with final report summaries since September.

Larry Fransson writes:

On 2003-11-20 04:23:29 -0800, Bob Noel said:

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote:

hey Larry, how about using CR/LF or linewraps in your posts? please.

--
Bob Noel


Hmmm...my posts appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even). Which newsreader are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and does anyone else see them badly formatted?

Yes; each paragraph is one long line.

I'm beta testing a new newsreader, so if it has formatting problems, that would be good to know!

It's pretty common these days, but it does look ugly and make it
harder to read.
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Ace Pilot wrote:
Hey - the NTSB sure could have used your help. They completely missed
the icing factor. In fact, the NTSB said that ICING WAS NOT A FACTOR.

I wonder how they determined that... the report states that the aircraft
was destroyed by the crash impact and post-crash fire. Guess what
happens to airframe ice in a fire?

"EDR" wrote in message
...

No, you don't get it.


No, it really is you that does not get it.



Weather observers were not just located at FSSs and airports. They were
also reported from other stations. For example, up until about five
years ago, there were a human observer reports from ECK. Is ECK an
airport? No. Is ECK a FSS? No. What is ECK? It's a VOR.


That seems unlikely. I can find no reference to ECK weather observations in
any place one would expect to find them. ECK has been a location for winds
and temperatures aloft forecasts for many years and remains so today.
You're no doubt confusing surface weather observations with winds aloft
forecasts.



You have to go
back and find a list of weather reporting stations from 20 years ago to
determine what other stations in the EVM area reported weather. Weather
reported from 100 miles or more distant from your destination is not
going to give you an accurate picture.


This is part of what you still don't get. The weather reporting stations
that were operating twenty years ago are operating today. There are MORE
weather observation stations today than there were then. One of them is at
EVM, Wellstone's destination. Having a weather observer at your destination
is better than not having a weather observer at your destination.

In any case, weather did not put Wellstone's plane on the ground, the pilot
did. He was initially too fast and then slowed too much. He stalled.
Pilot error.

Oops...

mike regish

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:OxVub.191838$9E1.1021751@attbi_s52...

I thought this was a part 91 flight. Wasn't his kid flying the plane
with
him in the right seat?

How's that a 135 operation?


Paul Wellstone of Minnesota, not Mel Carnahan of Missouri.