Slightly OT- Model B52 Crashes

(Mackfly) wrote in message ...
Maybe this "Giant" size craze will end when someone kills 5 or 6 bystanders.
I'm an ex RC flyer and never felt there was any need for these super large RC
planes other than to boost the owner / builder's ego. Mac now flying full
size acft.

Didn't stop full-size airshows, and there've been significantly more
than a few people killed at those, as recently as the 80s and 90s.

What's so bad about people building giant models if they take
satisfaction from doing so? I certainly got a kick out of seeing it-
an amazing demonstration of design and fabrication skill.

I prefer flying full-size A/C too, but I don't go around dinging the
R/Cers and flight sim junkies who spend more than I do on my real
plane to build 737 cockpits in their garage (c.f.
http://www.737sim.com/).

Cheers,
-cwk.

I just think of the "Giants" as homebuilt UAVs.

Mackfly wrote:
Maybe this "Giant" size craze will end when someone kills 5 or 6 bystanders.
I'm an ex RC flyer and never felt there was any need for these super large RC
planes other than to boost the owner / builder's ego. Mac now flying full
size acft.

My impression was that it 'stopped flying' before it looked like it stopped
flying. I think that's what dooms many a pilot because they continue to
pull after the aircraft as already stalled but before any sort of break.

Looked like the dreaded downwind turn to this old RCer

And yes, there is no such thing as a downwind turn except as an optical
illusion that effects the pilot.

"Jerry Springer" wrote in message
link.net...
Yes sir, I have many years and hours of experience flying RC's, I was an
RC
instructor for our club also. If you look at the video it had already made
the
downwind turn and flew quite a while before the crash.

Jerry



ABLE1 wrote:

No not a joke. Have you ever flown an RC plane?????



You joke right?

ABLE1 wrote:

It was the dreaded downwind turn. Too low, too slow. Google foe vids.




That's a real shame. Do they know what happened?



"Howard Eisenhauer" wrote in
message
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For those of you who were following the posts about the model B52 a
few months back-

http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm

C Kingsbury wrote:




Didn't stop full-size airshows, and there've been significantly more
than a few people killed at those, as recently as the 80s and 90s.

No spectators have ever been killed at an airshow in the US.

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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My impression was that it 'stopped flying' before it looked like it
stopped
flying. I think that's what dooms many a pilot because they continue to
pull after the aircraft as already stalled but before any sort of break.

Looked like the dreaded downwind turn to this old RCer

And yes, there is no such thing as a downwind turn except as an optical
illusion that effects the pilot.

It looked to me like it had already made the downwind turn and was turning
back into the wind when it crashed.
Bob

In article , Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
I have no idea peter, just got the link off the Willys Tech mailing
list of all places.

She was in a pretty tight turn just before the dive, accelerated stall
maybe??

What about loss of radio contact (perhaps a transmitter or receiver
failure)? I've seen that happen. It looked like perhaps it was entering
a turn at the time, but carried on rolling until the nose fell through
as if some spoileron/aileron input had been added but never taken out.


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"Bob"
"Maule Driver"
My impression was that it 'stopped flying' before it looked like it
stopped
flying. I think that's what dooms many a pilot because they continue to
pull after the aircraft as already stalled but before any sort of break.

Looked like the dreaded downwind turn to this old RCer

And yes, there is no such thing as a downwind turn except as an optical
illusion that effects the pilot.

It looked to me like it had already made the downwind turn and was turning
back into the wind when it crashed.
Bob
I went back and looked again. It did look like a stall out of turn to me.
It appeared to be perfectly oriented for the 'downwind' turn type of event.
I've seen many dozens of them (done a few myself). The clouds and the sock
suggest that et was a blustery, variable wind day which just makes it even
more challenging to fly. There appears to be a momentary bump where the
nose drops and the bank increases well before the turn completes 90
degrees - that looks like a stall. Did this thing have true to scale
spoilers for bank?

Having said that, there's no way to know for sure without telemetry. Flight
instruments is part of what makes full scale flight easier in so many ways.

Damn what a fine looking ship!

Maybe this "Giant" size craze will end when someone kills 5 or 6
bystanders.
I'm an ex RC flyer and never felt there was any need for these super
large RC
planes other than to boost the owner / builder's ego. Mac now flying
full
size acft.

What's so bad about people building giant models if they take
satisfaction from doing so? I certainly got a kick out of seeing it-
an amazing demonstration of design and fabrication skill.

Agreed. People do super large for the same reason they do immaculate
finishes, mind bending scale detail, and flying lawn mowers -
owner/builder's ego.

I was thinking how sad it was to see it crash. Then I remembered how sad it
is to see some great flying model moldering in someone's garage because they
moved on to newer projects.

The great thing about models is that crashing is a (relatively harmless)
part of the game. I'm looking at the crew working with the B52 and thinking
of the great stories they have about the model "you just can't imagine how
well if flew..." and "you should have seen the fire....."

Anyone want to talk about the morality of modeling weapons of mass
destruction? Nevermind.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:54:33 -0600, Newps wrote:



C Kingsbury wrote:




Didn't stop full-size airshows, and there've been significantly more
than a few people killed at those, as recently as the 80s and 90s.

No spectators have ever been killed at an airshow in the US.


Don't mean to sound like I'm picking nits because I fully understand
that you're talking about flying aircraft. We did, however, have a
death at an airshow at Willow Grove NAS about twenty years ago. They
failed to disable the ejection mechanism in a fighter and a young boy
ejected himself and got killed. That was the end of the airshow for a
number of years. Very sad situation.
Rich Russell

Newps wrote in message ...
C Kingsbury wrote:




Didn't stop full-size airshows, and there've been significantly more
than a few people killed at those, as recently as the 80s and 90s.

No spectators have ever been killed at an airshow in the US.

Didn't realize that- just figured there hadn't been any spectacular
disasters as have been seen in Europe.

Just one more piece of evidence that as much as well enjoy dinging the
FAA, it's clearly the best agency of its kind in the world, dealing
with by far the largest and most complicated set of needs.

Of course, US pilots & airshow organizers deserve credit as well.

Best,
-cwk.