Airbus A 380 is rolling

In article , Stefan
wrote:

I think the only answer you'd accept is: Everything the ather guy gets
is subsidies. Everything you get is not.

I'm looking for a real definition, not some made up one

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Bob Noel wrote:

I'm looking for a real definition, not some made up one

There is no hard definition. Cheap credits, tax cut, overpriced
contracts, free infrastructure, payed research, import taxes for
competitors etc. etc. are all indirect subsidies. I don't say whether
this is good or bad. Most probably it is inevitable.

Stefan

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:06:39 -0600, "Robert B."
wrote:

But as I understand it, the AB "repayable credits" are only repayable out of
the profits of the aircraft line they support. Not having any risk in new
development is a pretty big subsidy!

That's correct. For example, if Airbus gets Launch Aid for the 787
Killer and then decides not to build the aircraft, the money is gone.

Indeed, one wonders how much of the Launch Aid was ever repaid. It
reminds me of the scene in Shakespeare in Love where the theater owner
and the Money talk business on the new production, Ethel and the
Pirate's Daughter:

"But what about the actors?"

"Share of the profits."

"But Mr. Fennyman, there are never any profits!"

"Of course not."

"Mr. Fennyman, I think you're onto something!"

Airbus is certainly onto something with its Launch Aid.


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In article , Robert B. wrote:
Forget check-in and luggage... Can you imagine Custom lines if a couple of
these suckers land at the same time?

This is why I don't really like the A380 - unless Customs/Immigration is
really improved in most airports, it'll take hours to get through. Even
a B777 load is the best part of an hour unless you're lucky enough to be
the first off.

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Stefan wrote:

Martin Hotze wrote:

I like it beeing in service and generating business. There are concerns
IMHO about so many people in one place (check-in, gate, plane) ...

I seem to remember that when the 747 was introduced, there were
*excactly* the same concerns.

Still are. It's no fun boarding any aircraft with a few hundred of your best
friends. And at some airports, like LAX especially, it's a near disaster at
the gates with a 747.