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On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 5:23:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
2G Your welcome to pay my insurance for next year. The majority of fatal accidents this past year have involved high performance machines, some with aux power some without. Not 1-26’s, not 2-33’s, not dusters or cherokees or phoebus or libelles. But the very fact that I now have to pay thru the nose for my very low performance machine due to the idiocy of “pilots” with way more money than aeronautic sense is very graiting! You are WELCOME TO PAY MINE! You didn't address a SINGLE point that I made!! PM me and I will give you my address to send the check to - $3k should cover it. Tom |
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And 2G you missed dang near the ENTIRE point of my posts but so be it. I will make you a deal, you step down from the lofty heights of high performance soaring and race in the 1-26 nationals this year (I will even supply you with the machine) and whoever wins pays the other guys insurance for the year.
What a deal! Who knows you might even have a whole lot of fun and that insurance bill you will be paying of mine won’t put that big of a dent in your wallet. |
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.....no wait.....with only 23/1 L/D, you are probably gonna need at least twice that to get anywhere.... never mind...I don’t want the CD to under task us all on your account.
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GLIDING INTERNATIONAL -- RESEARCH
It is utterly ludicrous to claim that insurance premiums don’t rise when there are more accidents. Typical 2G bull****.
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On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:00:19 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 11/4/2019 5:23 PM: 2G Your welcome to pay my insurance for next year. The majority of fatal accidents this past year have involved high performance machines, some with aux power some without. Not 1-26’s, not 2-33’s, not dusters or cherokees or phoebus or libelles. But the very fact that I now have to pay thru the nose for my very low performance machine due to the idiocy of “pilots” with way more money than aeronautic sense is very graiting! Is it possible the insurance companies know that, and set the rates accordingly? And why wouldn't they know that - obviously, they have lots of data on the situation! And, we know they adjust their rates, based on the pilot's hours, rating, and - I believe - the kind of glider he flies. If so, you are not paying more because a high performance glider has an accident. Perhaps you have some evidence that an accident to a $200,000 motorglider raises the rate on a 1-26? Mr. Costello has had articles in Soaring and given talks on insurance company costs. AT times, ground damage has been the major cost, not crashes. Stuff like trailer accidents, cars hitting gliders, canopies damaged, wings dropped during assembly, hangar fires (Barstow!), wind damage, etc. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 One set of data- From my shop the last 2 years. Insurance claims only; 1-34- Accident in the pattern. Hit Soccer goal- Not economical to repair 1-26E Land in trees on ridge. Not economical to repair 1-26D- Blew out of tie down. Not economical to repair Twin Grob- Replace rear canopy- left unlocked ASW-24- Replace canopy and repair wings- gun shots while in trailer ASW-20 - Replace canopy- Rock from lawn mower PIK-20- Replace canopy and repair hinges- owner error on ground 304S Shark. Water landing in marsh after engine non start. Likely out of fuel. FWIW UH |
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On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 9:34:04 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:00:19 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote: wrote on 11/4/2019 5:23 PM: 2G Your welcome to pay my insurance for next year. The majority of fatal accidents this past year have involved high performance machines, some with aux power some without. Not 1-26’s, not 2-33’s, not dusters or cherokees or phoebus or libelles. But the very fact that I now have to pay thru the nose for my very low performance machine due to the idiocy of “pilots” with way more money than aeronautic sense is very graiting! Is it possible the insurance companies know that, and set the rates accordingly? And why wouldn't they know that - obviously, they have lots of data on the situation! And, we know they adjust their rates, based on the pilot's hours, rating, and - I believe - the kind of glider he flies. If so, you are not paying more because a high performance glider has an accident. Perhaps you have some evidence that an accident to a $200,000 motorglider raises the rate on a 1-26? Mr. Costello has had articles in Soaring and given talks on insurance company costs. AT times, ground damage has been the major cost, not crashes. Stuff like trailer accidents, cars hitting gliders, canopies damaged, wings dropped during assembly, hangar fires (Barstow!), wind damage, etc. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 One set of data- From my shop the last 2 years. Insurance claims only; 1-34- Accident in the pattern. Hit Soccer goal- Not economical to repair 1-26E Land in trees on ridge. Not economical to repair 1-26D- Blew out of tie down. Not economical to repair Twin Grob- Replace rear canopy- left unlocked ASW-24- Replace canopy and repair wings- gun shots while in trailer ASW-20 - Replace canopy- Rock from lawn mower PIK-20- Replace canopy and repair hinges- owner error on ground 304S Shark. Water landing in marsh after engine non start. Likely out of fuel. FWIW UH Is there a good story behind the ASW-24 getting shot? Ex wife, golf cart drive by shooting, redneck rampage, unlucky parking spot, wildlife scene painted on trailer? |
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On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 8:00:19 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Is it possible the insurance companies know that, and set the rates accordingly? And why wouldn't they know that - obviously, they have lots of data on the situation! And, we know they adjust their rates, based on the pilot's hours, rating, and - I believe - the kind of glider he flies. If so, you are not paying more because a high performance glider has an accident. Perhaps you have some evidence that an accident to a $200,000 motorglider raises the rate on a 1-26? Mr. Costello has had articles in Soaring and given talks on insurance company costs. AT times, ground damage has been the major cost, not crashes. Stuff like trailer accidents, cars hitting gliders, canopies damaged, wings dropped during assembly, hangar fires (Barstow!), wind damage, etc. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 One issue that hasn't been mentioned is that almost every new glider coming into the US has some type of propulsion system. Generally, that should will increase the percentage of motorglider accidents annually. Eric, one comment on trashing expensive gliders. When I bought my 31, I was going to cancel my insurance on my D2 to save a few hundred dollars. The insurance broker cautioned against that because getting a "new" policy for the 31 instead of making a change on an existing policy may not happen and rates (higher) would reflect a new policy. Why? Because of a JS-1c (among others) that had recently been totaled. Rates were adjusted up a tick as a result. |
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On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:12:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 9:34:04 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:00:19 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote: wrote on 11/4/2019 5:23 PM: 2G Your welcome to pay my insurance for next year. The majority of fatal accidents this past year have involved high performance machines, some with aux power some without. Not 1-26’s, not 2-33’s, not dusters or cherokees or phoebus or libelles. But the very fact that I now have to pay thru the nose for my very low performance machine due to the idiocy of “pilots” with way more money than aeronautic sense is very graiting! Is it possible the insurance companies know that, and set the rates accordingly? And why wouldn't they know that - obviously, they have lots of data on the situation! And, we know they adjust their rates, based on the pilot's hours, rating, and - I believe - the kind of glider he flies. If so, you are not paying more because a high performance glider has an accident. Perhaps you have some evidence that an accident to a $200,000 motorglider raises the rate on a 1-26? Mr. Costello has had articles in Soaring and given talks on insurance company costs. AT times, ground damage has been the major cost, not crashes. Stuff like trailer accidents, cars hitting gliders, canopies damaged, wings dropped during assembly, hangar fires (Barstow!), wind damage, etc. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 One set of data- From my shop the last 2 years. Insurance claims only; 1-34- Accident in the pattern. Hit Soccer goal- Not economical to repair 1-26E Land in trees on ridge. Not economical to repair 1-26D- Blew out of tie down. Not economical to repair Twin Grob- Replace rear canopy- left unlocked ASW-24- Replace canopy and repair wings- gun shots while in trailer ASW-20 - Replace canopy- Rock from lawn mower PIK-20- Replace canopy and repair hinges- owner error on ground 304S Shark. Water landing in marsh after engine non start. Likely out of fuel. FWIW UH Is there a good story behind the ASW-24 getting shot? Ex wife, golf cart drive by shooting, redneck rampage, unlucky parking spot, wildlife scene painted on trailer? Shot at TSA last year during Std nationals for no obvious reason besides "hold my beer and watch this". May have thought(stretch here) that they were just shooting at the trailer. Got trailer, both wings, canopy, and instrument panel. We left the bullet hole in the panel to retain the history of the glider. Owner was crushed, having just spent his winter time off doing a refinish. You can not think this **** up. UH |
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